[00:00:02] David: I'm David Reid and this is The Life Stylist Podcast.

[00:00:07] Luke: Luke's Storey here back for yet another expansive and inspiring conversation. This one features a new friend named David Reid. It's called Manna from Heaven, Cracking Alchemical Codes of the Earth's Most Potent Substances. Our guest, David, has spent the last decade studying advanced physics, cosmology, biology, ancient civilizations, mathematics, geometry, and natural systems. All this study has provided our pal, David, with the discovery and reintroduction of ancient knowledge combined with modern medicine and technology.

He's got an in-depth understanding of unified field theories from spending time with leading theoretical physicists, scientists, and inventors.

Now all this work he's done has resulted in his own research into the fundamental patterns of creation, tural codes and vortex dynamics as the gateway to our physical generation and connection.

During his journey in through sacred sites and spaces, which we're going to talk about today, he's been exposed to many ancient and sacred nutrients and frequencies. And he selected just a few of these to introduce to humanity at this time of its evolution within a specific time of a cycle to improve our connection and wellbeing through our interface with the field and form.

And trust me when I say you're going to fend out on the show notes for this one, so you can find those at lukestorey.com/reid. R-E-I-D. David is, uh, obviously, you might have guessed by now, a fascinating guy, so we made sure to link to all of it in the show notes, again at lukestorey.com/reid.

Here are just a few of the nooks and crannies we explore with David. Now, it's hard to bullet this one out as it was a very non-linear dialogue. So here are just a few of the topics we explored. Why he had to travel the world to create his insanely rad product called Manna; frequency resonance technologies; how the development of Manna was based on light, water, and minerals.

And we also dig into a few of the individual and unique ingredients in his product like Shilajit, Ormus, and marine minerals. He also shares some of his wild experiences at destinations like Machu Picchu in Peru, the pyramids in Egypt, the Himalayas in Tibet, and Mount Shasta, and what he learned sleeping on the shore of the Dead Sea for 88 nights. 

And of course, we also nerd out on the consciousness of water. And finally, the Resonance Science Foundation, which is bringing a unified view of physics into the mainstream. Now, this episode is by no means a product infomercial, but uh, I got to tell you, I am freaking obsessed with David's product called Manna.

It's so potent in fact, that it could likely replace a few other supplements, and it's made from the earth. There's nothing synthetic in it. It's really, really interesting. To grab yourself some Manna, use the code, LUKE20 at lukestorey.com/manna. That's lukestorey.com/manna, and the very generous code there is LUKE20. Okay, that's enough out of me. Let's get our groove on with the incomparable Mr. David Reid. David Reid, welcome to the show, my man.

[00:03:15] David: Thanks, Luke. Nice to be here, brother.

[00:03:17] Luke: So interesting way that we met here today. This happened much more suddenly than is typical with my guest bookings. Our, uh, mutual friend Gabrielle out in the Bay area sent me a text and she never does this, which is what got my attention. I mean, we text about random stuff, but she's never like, hey, you should have this person on your podcast because there's too many amazing people in the world with the time allotted that I have.

So I always have a list of a 100 people that I'm chasing after. So I don't generally take inquiries just because I selfishly want the people that I want already. But, uh, she sent me your media kit for your product here, Manna and your personal media kit, and she's like, dude's, next level, just trust me. And I was like, okay. I read the PDFs and I was like, I got to interview this guy. He sounds too interesting. We sound too aligned. So I'm really happy that you're able to make the time.

[00:04:05] David: Thank you. Yeah, it's lovely to be here and I can feel your energy as well, so I'm looking forward to sharing and seeing where it takes us.

[00:04:12] Luke: Right on, dude. Right on. So, um, judging by your accent, are you from Kentucky, Alabama? Just kidding. He's an Aussie, if you guys didn't guess. So tell me about your decade of experience working with top 20 international medical device companies. I think it's interesting because your product Manna is very much of the earth.

It's a very earthy product and I can't wait to talk about it because I'm super high on this. Not intoxicated, but it is a really great product. But it's interesting that you came out of more of a medical tech world as the CEO of this company that's making this very earth-based product. So what was that journey like?

[00:04:50] David: Originally, I was actually an aircraft engineer in the military in the Navy. And then I got out of that. Got into medical devices for an American company, actually, called Stryker, where I was selling digital operating theaters. So selling them to the hospital, then managing the installation process, then doing the in-services when they actually went live, teaching the surgeons and nursing staff how to use them. 

But to be honest with you, Luke, it feels like another lifetime ago. I'm very blessed that I had that opportunity in that corporate world because it taught me a lot of skills that I utilize now. After a decade of doing that, I just realized I wasn't happy and wanted to do something else.

[00:05:30] Luke: Wow. Good for you, man. See, when I read that, I was thinking, ooh, maybe it was some cutting-edge biohacking technologies stuff. So you're talking about western medicine, hospital technologies. And God bless them, if you need a surgery, it's probably a good place to go do it.

[00:05:45] David: Totally. And I was in sales and marketing, so as I said, it was great to get that corporate exposure. I'm glad I ticked that box and I'm glad I got out of it as well.

[00:05:53] Luke: Yeah. Right on, man. We could cover in greater detail later because I want to pick apart some of the ingredients in Manna. And normally if someone has a product with them when they come, I may or may not even talk about it. It's got to be pretty cool. But I actually had some of this when you brought it over and it was very impressive. So how did that come to be? And then we'll jump back to some of the backstory.

[00:06:16] David: Uh, that's a big story. I mean, the two active ingredients in there is a hypertonic ocean plasma from the Dead Sea, and also the other 50% of it we collect off Tasmania in Australia, between Tasmania and Antarctica, where the water's very pure and that goes through a three-year solar evaporation process to readjust the mineral content.

[00:06:37] Luke: Three years?

[00:06:38] David: Yeah. 

[00:06:38] Luke: Damn.

[00:06:39] David: So I call that--

[00:06:40] Luke: Talk about supply chain issues. I don't know if you guys have that in Australia, but it's a thing here.

[00:06:45] David: But at least it's sustainable because the ocean's pretty big.

[00:06:48] Luke: Yeah, for sure.

[00:06:49] David: So that's half of the active ingredient is the ocean plasma, which we put that through a proprietary vortex device that turns that plasma white and produces a precipitate, which is what the ancients used to call manna, or the Egyptians used to call mfkzt.

We can talk more about that later if you like. The other, uh, half of the ingredients is Shilajit. And again, Shilajit really exploded on the planet probably over the last three years. There's lots of different types of Shilajit. Once I found out how powerful it was and the impacts that it can have on the mind and the body, I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I set myself a goal to find the best Shilajit on the planet. So we get our Shilajit from above 16,000 feet.

[00:07:33] Luke: Wow.

[00:07:34] David: The benefits of that is the nutritional concentration. When you do the lab tests, it becomes very apparent.

[00:07:40] Luke: Interesting. Wow. And so you'd never produced any supplement before?

[00:07:46] David: No. And I didn't have the intention to as well. It was just something that organically unfolded from the journey that I was on.

[00:07:53] Luke: Wow. Cool. That's always the best way, isn't it? I never intended to have a podcast. I just listened to them and one day just put a mic on and it happened.

[00:08:01] David: Yeah. And to be honest, I'm just a steward for the commodities. It's really just the elements that produce these, and I'm just sharing those with, uh, whoever wants to tap into those elements in connection.

[00:08:15] Luke: Awesome. Well, I'm glad you shared them with me today. I'm stoked. What about frequency resonance devices? Are you into this stuff?

[00:08:22] David: Sure. 

[00:08:23] Luke: The realm of the Tesla coils and magnetics and all of this stuff. What's your relationship to that world?

[00:08:31] David: Well, I see us as frequency resonant devices. Actually, the most advanced ones in the universe and everything external is just an expression of wherever humanity's consciousness is at at the time. So everything's a frequency resonant device.

[00:08:46] Luke: Have you played around with any of these things? Do you have any that you can name that have been impressive to you?

[00:08:52] David: Yeah, so I'm the Australian Emissary for the Resonant Science Foundation. I spent, uh, December, 2012 with Nasim Harrain, who's a theoretical physicist in Kauai. He has a device called the Sphere Flux Resonator, or some people just know it as the resonator. And so I actually slept in the room next to that device for a month, for December, 2012. Absolutely.

[00:09:15] Luke: While it was running?

[00:09:16] David: Uh, no, it was turned off. He only ever turned it on once. I don't know if I can say what happened here.

[00:09:22] Luke: Oh man, come on.

[00:09:23] David: But it's been 20 years of, uh, understanding frequency technology before he feels comfortable turning that on again. And he's actually built a second generation resonator now. 

Yes. But the one that was turned off still was very active. I'll just say that.

[00:09:38] Luke: That's so interesting. I love this stuff. In fact, he's been someone I've been in talks with for, I don't know, probably three years to interview and he's not the kind of guy you interview on Zoom. And I think, he's still in California.

There was talk of him moving somewhere, so I wanted to go to his lab and get a video crew and show some of the things that he's working on. He's a fascinating guy. I've only met him once in person, but that must have been an interesting experience.

[00:10:03] David: He's amazing. Yeah. I see him as a theoretical physicist/mystic, and he probably understands the element of space better than anybody else on the planet. 

[00:10:13] Luke: Wow. 

[00:10:13] David: That was fascinating. And then I've got another business that's called Magneticenergyfuture.com. So that's got 15 different magnetic devices that are all based around free energy, generation of heat, generation of light. There's also a replicator on that website and actually how to build it. And the 15th device that's on there is a spaceship. So there's some pretty cool stuff on that site.

[00:10:40] Luke: What's a replicator?

[00:10:40] David: It can replicate whatever you like.

[00:10:44] Luke: Like the frequency signature of something? Okay.

[00:10:48] David: So it maps out the magnetic signature of whatever you have. Let's sayit's your hand. It can map out the magnetic pulse rate and the magnetic spin rate, and then the actual time that that came into inception.

So you can have a look at it. It's called the Pyramid Molecular Exchange Unit. And it literally creates a field where the atoms and molecules get put into a neutral state. So let's say you had an injury on your hand, you could put your hand into that device and it would connect in with your higher dimensional template or press steam blueprint and fix your hand. So I want to say at the moment, these 15 devices that are on the site are all theoretical.

[00:11:33] Luke: Okay. So they're not commercially available yet.

[00:11:35] David: No.

[00:11:36] Luke: Because I'm already thinking about, all right, I got to fix this, I got to fix this.

[00:11:39] David: No. And I'm not the inventor of those. I was on a magnetic board with six inventors eight years ago. And now again, I'm stewarding those products as well. But the inventor is here with us and, uh, they will be built as we enter the golden age, and that'll be the future of technology. We'll move away from electricity and move towards magnetic energy.

[00:12:02] Luke: Oh, my God. Please, I'm ready. You just saw me throw the power cable away from my iPad here because I don't want to be on an electric field. Who's the idiot that just decided, let's put 60 hertz running through all the walls of every building and just electrocute everyone on a slow fry for their entire life?

I don't know what you guys use over there, but it's probably just as dumb. So I love hearing about technologies like this because it's like the energies and the potential that we need to sustain our life is all here already. It's just a matter of how you choose to channel those energies and which frequencies you use and such, like with the free energy device.

Those in control of the levers of revenue for energy have manipulated the masses into thinking that they're the only source of that energy. Like fossil fuels, electricity, however we generate electricity power. Whereas I get the sense that humans have figured out how to do that before and it got destroyed and then they pretended like it never happened. That we were all cavemen before this.

And we can get into some of that. Okay. And you guys, we'll link to all of this. The show notes today will be lukestorey.com/reid, R-E-I-D. lukestorey.com/reid. Because I'm sure we're going to throw out a lot of stuff and I want you guys to be able to find it. So, with these technologies that you're helping to steward in, is there any timeline on any of this stuff?

[00:13:28] David: Well, the timeline moves. So the cycle that we've been in, I don't have any resistance to it. It's been beautiful. It's got us to this far, it's given us this amazing human experience that we've had. And now we're going through a major transition where everything's changing, whether it's our medicine, whether it's our science, whether it's our food. Actually, our human being is transforming into a brand new being.

So the human being itself is transcending into something else. So that's a big part of what the man is about as well, is actually activating the light body. So having a greater capacity of light within us so that we can go through that genetic liberation through cellular illumination and activate the light body.

And once that happens, because the inner consciousness has changed, then the outer expression changes as well, which is a really exciting message to share because we get to experience more of the truth of who we are, which is less separation of fear and more connection and love.

[00:14:34] Luke: I really like your optimistic attitude. It's inspiring to me because there's a certain part of some people, uh, at least for me, that it's like, you want to have an awareness of what's going on in the world. Just if you're a seeker of truth, you just crave understanding. But because we live in this duality, part of what you discovered is that there's some really nefarious shit going on that's been going on for a really hard time.

So I'm asking myself where is the balance of, sure, being aware of the dark side, for lack of a better term, and just letting it be there and go, that's fine, but we're building this new thing. And just focusing all of your energy into what you want to see rather than what you don't want.

And that's something that I grapple with a bit because there's a rebellious spirit within me that's like, no, fuck those guys. We got to tear it down. But it can't be torn down. It seems to me that the way forward is more what you describe of the elevation of consciousness is going to manifest the change we want to see.

And that it seems as though the smartest way to do that is for each individual to do it for themselves until you hit a critical mass tipping point where there's enough awakened beings on the planet where things as they manifest outwardly actually become different. Would you subscribe to that?

[00:15:53] David: Totally. And I think one of the tricks to staying out of the fear and the separation is to understand the truth of who we are. So once we understand and experience and know that we're infinite and eternal beings, like we are the now moment itself, and that's never born, or it never ends, once that's our experience of life, then there's a much deeper peace and there's a much deeper connection to everything else because you realize everything is actually emanating out of that space, emanating out of that field, and returning to that field.

So it's a much kinder way to interact because what's looking out of my eyes is also looking out of your eyes. It's the same thing. So what's the point in harming you or somebody else? And as we move into a more light section of the universe, everyone will get to experience that in their own way. And by just focusing on the light and allowing that to cultivate in yourself is the greatest thing that you can actually do for that field because the field is what's manifesting everything that we see in reality.

[00:17:07] Luke: Amen, brother. Thanks for the reminder. It's easy to get caught up sometimes in what's wrong the world. And to forget that-- it's like innately I know that this is a temporary expression of consciousness called Luke Storey in this body, in this lifetime. And so I have much less attachment to preventing death, but the attachment that I find a bit more difficult is the attachment to the wife that I love and the things that seem that I'm going to lose them when I transition out of this body.

It's not so much about like, oh, I have to stay alive. It's like, no, no, but I want to keep the stuff that I have here while alive. How do you reconcile within yourself that level of attachment?

[00:17:54] David: Yeah. Again, it's like if we understand we are infinite and eternal, and that becomes our experience, the most beautiful part of that for me is we come to realize what true love is. And what true love is, is the fact that we get to exist, the fact that existence can take place. 

And that's probably the biggest thing I got from diving into theoretical physics, and advanced mathematics, and cosmology, and studying these ancient civilizations as well, is that once we understand what it takes for us to be in this vehicle and all of the biochemical reactions that are taking place, there's trillions and trillions of them every second happening in harmony and resonance so that we can sit here now and have a conversation, and that's happening for every being, it's just miracle after miracle in the moment. 

So that when we remember that like the deepest gratitude arises in us for whatever's taking place, and we can always know that something will be taking place because we are infinite and eternal. We don't know what that's going to be or how that's going to look like, but in the moment we can just be thankful because it's the greatest miracle that can ever be actually.

[00:19:11] Luke: Yeah. All of the, uh, the infinite number of processes that have to be expressed in any given moment to just make something as simple as a conversation happen. I don't know about the mathematics of it. It sounds like you do, but if I just think broadly, the odds of this happening are so small. There's so many things that have to coalesce in order for this moment to happen. And if any one of those pieces was different, this would be different or wouldn't be. 

[00:19:43] David: Yeah. And to answer your question, to extend on that, it doesn't mean that that makes it any easier if you have attachments and it changes or death and passing and things like that. It's obviously still very sad and we'll never see those people or that being or that energy in that form ever again, but again, that just makes it so much more special when we do have those moments to be in that deep gratitude and surrender and trust.

[00:20:13] Luke: That's a great reminder. When you speak about these things, it reminds me of experiences that I've had with plant medicines and psychedelics, where those have been the times where I don't theoretically understand the concepts that you're sharing, actually there's an inner knowing because they're experiential. And then sometime goes by and those experiences are integrated.

And I have perhaps a little bit more of a tangible relationship with that experience and that knowing. But then the maya of the material world comes back and I think, I don't know, was that real? Um, did you arrive at this perspective? And I know that it's more than an intellectual construct because I'm looking in your eyes and I see that you're talking from somewhere, not about somewhere.

There's a big distinction there, I think. How much of this perception and worldview has come to you through studying physics and mathematics and ancient civilizations, or have you come to it through meditation or breath work or any other modalities of that nature?

[00:21:16] David: I believe that we all have a divine destiny. And then there's catalysts or breadcrumbs along the way that we can either choose now or down the track. For me, a huge part of it was exposure to Nassim Haramein in November, 2011. I feel like I went through an initiation process with him down in Mexico near Chichen Itza and in the Cenotes near Tulum. And then the following year I sun gazed every day for a year, weather dependent. Where I live in Australia, there's about 300 sunny days a year.

So it's very generous for the elements, and that probably had the biggest impact on me. So I was developing a relationship with the elements, with the space from the sea, with light and the sun from the Sun. And then the next element was water. I became very intimate with water and structured water, charged water, vortexes, which I'd learned from the sim as well, was there's a fundamental pattern of creation that replicates on all scales through all things. And a beautiful way to actually experience that was with water, because you can see vortex. So I started building a whole bunch of different water devices.

Yeah, a couple of them, a six-foot tall. Yeah. Which was awesome because you can turn them on, you can see the vortex start. You can watch it running. You can feel the field. It's a great way to deepen your relationship with water because two main things that water loves is water loves to spin or it loves to dance and it loves to be charged. So it loves to be near electromagnetic fields. So rare earth magnets or rotating magnetic fields.

[00:22:53] Luke: Hey, I got something for you. Right now I have a piece of tourmaline and a piece of shungite in my water, in my spring water that you guys are drinking down there. Shout out to Alive Water. Is that a good idea or not?

[00:23:05] David: Totally.

[00:23:06] Luke: Oh, okay. Because I just did it intuitively, and that sometimes I see it in there I'm like, I don't even know if this is good. It just sounded like a good idea.

[00:23:14] David: Well, water's life.

[00:23:15] Luke: Yeah, 100%.

[00:23:17] David: As you know. So it loves being near high frequency substances so it can charge. So rose is the highest frequency scent. Loves being near rose. Excuse me. 

[00:23:28] Luke: That's why my wife loves the Rose Spray. There's a bunch of bottles of it up there. That's her favorite thing and she drinks it too. 

[00:23:34] David: Yeah. And you got the fresh roses on the table. Yeah. And then gold is the highest frequency metal. So it loves to be around gold. And then any of the precious gems, like the crystals and the shungite.

[00:23:46] Luke: Wow.

[00:23:47] David: Loves that. So if you think of gold as a living being, which it is, then take care of it. Treat it that way.

[00:23:54] Luke: Wow.

[00:23:55] David: Yeah.

[00:23:56] Luke: Interesting. Have you ever, um, explored the work of Veda Austin? Are you familiar? 

[00:24:01] David: Yeah. I've stayed with Veda.

[00:24:03] Luke: Oh, you have?

[00:24:04] David: Yes.

[00:24:04] Luke: Oh my God, dude. I'll text you a podcast I did with her probably in my top 10 of seven years of doing this. I mean, we had at least, well, I had an incredible experience talking to her about just the nature of consciousness of water, which I've been aware of, but not to that level. The stuff that she's up to, it's just like, you can't even believe it. It's unbelievable.

[00:24:30] David: She used to have a water company called Lemurian Springs. It was from a spring in New Zealand where the alkalinity was just naturally, I think it was 91/2 alkaline. And I went over there, as I said, and stayed with her. And yeah, she's doing some incredible work with imprinting water by putting it near different things. It sounds like you know all about So she's amazing.

[00:24:51] Luke: Have you ever played with any of that stuff?

[00:24:52] David: I haven't, no.

[00:24:53] Luke: The freezing the water? I've been on Amazon probably three times to buy the Petri dishes to do her technique, and then I get distracted and I don't do it, or ah, they don't look like the right kind. Note to sell Luke, get the goddamn Petri dishes, because the stuff she's doing, it's unreal.

I mean, just for those, we'll put it in the show notes, again at lukestorey.com/reid. We'll link to that episode. But one of the many experiments she did that blew my mind is she took the water, put it in the Petri dish, and then went over to the stereo and played Stairway to Heaven by led Zeppelin. Puts the water in the freezer for four minutes, takes it out, and there's a freaking stairway in the water. I mean, what?

[00:25:31] David: She's documented hundreds of them. 

[00:25:33] Luke: Yeah.

[00:25:34] David: lot of people know Emoto's work. And she's really taken over from Dr. Emoto's work. That's how I see that. And taken it to a whole other level.

[00:25:41] Luke: Oh, way beyond, because she's doing the hydro glyphs too, where she's actually developing, uh, an alphabet in a language of the water speaking to us.

[00:25:52] David: I haven't seen that.

[00:25:52] Luke: Yeah. She calls that hydro glyphs. So she's identifying that water will use the same symbol for the same word over and over and over again. And so she's building a language, the language of water, essentially. Yeah. So you get like she'll do it, I don't know, 200 times the word love and the water will make the same symbol each time. And so it has its own language. It's crazy, dude.

[00:26:21] David: When I was at the Dead Sea, I slept at the bank of the Dead Sea for 88 nights.

[00:26:26] Luke: Why 88?

[00:26:27] David: Uh, it just happened that way. Yeah.

[00:26:29] Luke: It wasn't like some formulaic--

[00:26:31] David: No, I didn't plan it. 

[00:26:33] Luke: Ancient school number or something.

[00:26:35] David: Yeah. I didn't plan it at all. Um, actually the reason I left that 88th night was because you get a 90-day visa, so I had to leave. 

[00:26:42] Luke: There you go.

[00:26:43] David: But what I was going to say about that was I was doing a lot of fasting and a lot of bathing in the Dead Sea itself, and then the hot springs and the black mud, and the message that kept coming through me was that water uses us to express itself.

[00:27:02] Luke: Oh shit. Right. Because we're molecularly speaking with 99% water, correct? What?

[00:27:12] David: So water being a closer expression to God as an element, just the four elements, everything is made from the four elements. Light, water and minerals. Every single thing is made from those. So water's actually the stage or the platform that light can project out from so that we can see it.

And then the minerals make up all the different frequencies or songs or expressions. So if you think about it, water's in everything. There's nowhere in the universe where we can't find water. So water is using everything to express itself.

[00:27:48] Luke: Wow.

[00:27:49] David: Yeah. So we think we're so significant and we are because we're our own universes. But it's just a nice little twist on how important water is and how beautiful water is. 

[00:27:57] Luke: That's deep. It's humbling too. I mean, I think we get so myopic as a species. Our self-importance sometimes is just out of control.

[00:28:08] David: It's a nice way to surrender and trust.

[00:28:10] Luke: There's hot springs in Israel where you were in the Dead Sea?

[00:28:12] David: Absolutely. Yeah, I was at Ein Gedi, and then there's Qumran, which is just up the road. Not many people know about the hot springs, but-- 

[00:28:23] Luke: Yeah, I've never heard of it. I was like, what? I got to go there.

[00:28:26] David: Yeah, the locals know about it. I'm friends with the people that run the kibbutz at Ein Gedi and it would get to about 7:00 PM at night and we'd go down in an old fall drive because they're quite close to the sea actually. Some of them just run straight into the sea. And the beautiful thing is they're all different temperatures. So you can find one that's very close to our body's temperature. Let's say 38 degrees.

[00:28:48] Luke: Like a float tank.

[00:28:49] David: Like a float tank.

[00:28:50] Luke: Wow.

[00:28:51] David: Lie there. Look at the clear sky, because they have 360 sunny days a year.

[00:28:56] Luke: Oh, man.

[00:28:56] David: And here is kicker, is the water is actually, and most people don't know this about the Dead Sea, they just think it's really strong in sodium chloride, but it's actually only 8% sodium chloride. And then it's magnesium, potassium, sulfur, calcium. So all the other macro minerals and macronutrients that our bodies are starving from because they're not in the food and the soils anymore, so you're literally lying there in a float tank.

[00:29:19] Luke: Oh, my God.

[00:29:20] David: That's from the earth that has the perfect ratio of everything that's in our body. And this is what I believe the [Inaudible] were actually talking about when they were talking about doing daily baptisms and being in altered states back when they were preparing for [Inaudible] to come through.

[00:29:35] Luke: Did you ever get into Gregg Braden?

[00:29:37] David: Totally.

[00:29:38] Luke: Yeah. I remember 20 years ago reading his book, I think it was called the Dead Sea Scrolls, or it was about the Dead Seas Scrolls and he was talking about the [Inaudible] and stuff. I haven't heard that word in a long time. So you're 88 nights sleeping out there next to the Dead Sea. And that's really interesting about the water too, because I too just assumed because of its buoyancy that it was just super salty water. But that's interesting that it actually has the complete set of minerals. That's really trippy.

[00:30:05] David: Yeah.

[00:30:06] Luke: Oh, my God. Do you know what it reminds me of? Years ago in LA there was an Israeli family that opened up essentially a salt spa or I think is what they called it. And so they had a salt room, a halo therapy or whatever they call it. But then he built these basically indoor jacuzzi looking things that were the minerals from the Dead Sea. He shipped over the Dead Sea minerals and that was his float tanks. They weren't tanks but just a float pool.

And he was telling me the whole story about why these were special. And I don't think I got it at the time. I was like, ah, whatever. It's a much of salt, so it makes you buoyant. But I think he was tapped into that because he was just a regular guy. He wasn't a health spa guy or anything.

And he had I think arthritis, a crippling arthritis and went to the Dead Sea and soaked for a period of time and was totally healed and went like, uh, what? And he brought that water basically to LA and opened a spot on La Brea.

[00:31:04] David: Do know if he bought it in liquid form or as a powder?

[00:31:08] Luke: I'm assuming a powder, but I'm not certain. But it was quite nice. Um, it's just that I remember being in the room. They didn't put chlorine in the water or anything, thankfully some people would do that, even though you don't need to if there's that much salt in it, I think.

But they didn't get the light leaks, so there's all these little lights from those smoke alarm and stuff, and I remember being in there like, God, you guys make it dark in here at least. But it was still nice. Uh, but anyway, I digress. 

So you're there for 88 days. You're soaking in these hot springs, you're doing this black mud, you're laying in the water. What was that experience like? What happened to you? How did you get the download about water expressing itself through life and through biology and all that?

[00:31:51] David: Yeah, it was a very powerful location where I was, and when I say I slept by the Dead Sea, there was actually an old abandoned lifeguard hut. This beautiful timber cabin that was just sitting there. Accommodation in the area was very expensive. And at the time, I had nothing.

 The reason it had been abandoned was because there was all these sink holes, so it was considered very dangerous. So everything that was around there had to move up. I want to say 500 yards. No, I was thinking meters. So it's probably more like a 1000, 1500 yards.

It's like 500 meters.  I would wake up in the morning facing Jordan and the sun would rise over those mountains, so you get a beautiful gaze and then go into the Dead Sea. I like to call it sea of life because it's the highest resolution water on the planet. By that I mean it's got the most information in it of any water there is.

[00:32:45] Luke: Wow.

[00:32:46] David: I would come out of there and you'd have to wash it off because if you were getting there daily, it's so intense that it can burn your skin. So behind us was a freshwater spring as well. When I say us, I was there with a friend of mine at the time. It was just the two of us.

Yeah, I guess because we had nothing, we were fasting, looking at the sun. Getting in this sea of life, ocean plasma. And Marty was reading a lot of sacred text. So we were just sitting in that space. We were very open. We were communing with the elements and we were there for a long time.

 Eighty eight days and nights is a long time. And that's one of the things I've learned over the last decade is when I go to some of these sites. To go there for an undisclosed length, sometimes you can go there for a day and get everything you need and you can move on, but other times you just feel like staying. And that particular experience was really interesting for me because in the last three days I received more information than I had in the previous 85. 

[00:33:51] Luke: Really?

[00:33:51] David: Yeah.

[00:33:52] Luke: So had you bailed out because you wanted a cozy hotel or missed your friends back home or something, you would've likely actually missed the gold of that.

[00:34:01] David: Totally. Yeah. 

[00:34:02] Luke: That's so interesting.

[00:34:03] David: And we did get access to food and mattresses and pillows and everything like that. The Jewish community were so friendly and as I said, there was a kubutz about a kilometer away. And by the end of our time there, the timber cabin was decked out with pretty much everything you can imagine.

[00:34:19] Luke: Oh. this makes me want to go on adventures. Sometimes I think, I'm 52, my adventure days are over. But then I hear a story like that, I'm like, I got to go there.

[00:34:27] David: It's just one of those special places. I mean, it's right on a lay line, which runs through the Dead Sea. Qishon line runs straight across right where the cabin was. A lot of the kings and pharaohs from ancient Egypt used to go to Ein Gedi. Cleopatra was at Ein Gedi in 35 BC and demanded for Mark Anthony, who she was with at the time, to trade with King Herod to get Ein Gedi so that she actually owned Ein Gedi at a time for the minerals.

King David used to go there all the time for his water and insights, is what the Jewish say. So yeah, it's a testing place because it is so elemental, but it's also, um, there's just something very magical there from exposing the elements. And I guess allowing us to really bathe in that truth of who we are, which we touched before.

[00:35:23] Luke: Mm-hmm. 

[00:35:24] David: The infinite eternal nature.

[00:35:26] Luke: Based on you studying these ancient civilizations, do you perceive that places like the pyramids in Egypt or the Dead Sea were at some point tropical and lush and not barren deserts?

[00:35:40] David: Totally. Yeah.

[00:35:42] Luke: Is it--

[00:35:42] David: Totally. I mean, the greatest example is in the center of Australia, Uluru, which is so far from the ocean. It's like being in Denver in the US because Australia's as big as the US. Not many people realize that.

[00:35:54] Luke: Really?

[00:35:55] David: So it'd be like-- yeah. So it'd be like, Uluru is like where Denver would be, but there's nothing else between LA and New York. And they've found opalized cockle shells at Uluru which means that was underwater, seawater. So it'd be like Denver being underwater. So we've had many cycles on this planet. I mean another example actually is from Byron Bay in Australia, all the way out to Uluru used to be a forest.

[00:36:24] Luke: Oh, wow.

[00:36:25] David: Yeah. And that's what a lot of the coal is. Coal is broken down biological material. So at some point, yeah, in some cycle.

[00:36:34] Luke: So interesting. Again, going back to the timelessness of infinite eternity, it's so interesting to think of the false sense of security that we have and how going back to those attachments, how we get attached to this body and this is the way the world is and this is how the geography is, and the seas are here and there, and these people are from there, and those people are from there, and it's like, who knows how many times this planet has been essentially a different planet?

And then these cataclysmic events take place and the whole thing just boils over. That's why I sometimes lovingly get a kick out of people that are very well-intentioned wanting to save the planet. There's a great George Carlin skit about this, and it's in the skit. I don't know if you've seen him. He's like, the planet's fine. You people now might be fucked, but the planet's not going anywhere. Because the planet will just recycle itself and there'll be lava, and volcanoes and great floods, and asteroids, and whatever, and it just morphs into something different over billions of years.

[00:37:36] David: Totally. 

[00:37:37] Luke: It's really interesting to think about that.

[00:37:38] David: Water something else to express itself.

[00:37:40] Luke: Right. Don’t let me forget to go back to sun gazing, because that's one of my favorite practices too. It sounds like you've taken it to another level that I would like to learn about, uh, with water. Have you geeked out on this concept of primary water? Meaning water that is actually produced by the inner earth that's outside of the hydrological cycle that we're taught in school.

[00:38:02] David: Yes.

[00:38:03] Luke: Tell us what you know about that. I find this concept fascinating and also just a part of me, I just know that it's true. If you go to Colorado and go 10,000 feet up the top of a mountain, that's not water that's gone through that cycle.

It's levitational water that I really believe is coming from-- it's made by the earth. And then if you think about the official narrative of how the oceans came to be, it's like, oh, water floated from outer space and landed on the surface of the planet and just somehow magically stuck here. That's just never sounded logical to me. So it seems like I'm going into your water as expressing itself through matter. 

[00:38:44] David: Mm-hmm. 

[00:38:45] Luke: It seems like the earth itself is just a massive water generator.

[00:38:50] David: Beautiful.

[00:38:51] Luke: What have you learned about that? Or what's your take on that?

[00:38:56] David: I've never actually thought of the earth as being a water generator, but yeah, it is. I agree with you.

[00:39:01] Luke: Okay, so let's just say the theory of primary water is right and we're not 10,000 feet beneath the surface. There's some mechanism of energy that puts different molecules together and creates water. And then eventually it comes up in springs, forth through a spring, and then that goes down into brooks, streams, creeks, rivers, into the ocean, then precipitates and goes up into clouds and becomes snow and rain, and then drips down the mountain. And that's the classical hydrological cycle.

But where did it all come from in the first place? And why does more of it keep coming? We were talking about Shasta, if you go to the headwaters of the Sacramento River in Lake Shasta, it's a massive geyser of water that's been going that way, producing that water out of somewhere for all of recorded history.

There's no time when we know that that was not happening. And someone who's very logical and linear would say, oh, that's just all the snow runoff from that big mountain that's seep down into the aquifer and it's just coming back out. And I'm like, then why does it have the same volume of water coming out, whether it's snow melt time or not?

It's not like there's less water at the end of the summer toward fall when it would've all drained out. I mean, I think about things in a very flintstone and simplistic way. Granted. So for any deep intellectuals listening, just bear with me. But I'm just talking gut common sense. Just like, let's forget all we've been taught and just be innocent children and be teachable and curious. But that's seems to be happening to me if I just take everything I know out of it and just my gut says the planet is a giant water generator.

[00:40:36] David: I agree with you. Yeah.

[00:40:38] Luke: Does it make sense?

[00:40:38] David: Yeah, totally. And the bottom of the Dead Sea, what I was shown is it's connected to inner Earth. So that's another example of--

[00:40:45] Luke: Oh, wow.

[00:40:46] David: Yeah.

[00:40:46] Luke: Really? Did that come to you in some inner knowing in a meditation or something?

[00:40:52] David: Yes.

[00:40:52] Luke: I knew we were going to get along. Gabrielle was right. Uh, not that you just get along with people that agree with you, but it's nice to have your intuition validated and your experiences.

[00:41:03] David: Yeah. And the other way to think of it too, is water is recognized by science as H₂O and the earth is a generator of H₂O as well because everything's in the field. It's manifesting out of the field and returning back to the field.

And so we are generators. The Earth is a generator. The sun is a generator. The galaxy's a generator. Adam's are little generators. They're little energy centers. So it makes sense that the earth would generate water from within.

[00:41:37] Luke: Dig it. All right, so sun gazing. This is something I heard about, I don't know, maybe 20 years ago and it just made sense to me. And then I interviewed people like Dr. Jack Cruz and different people that explained the circadian biology side of it, and how so much of your hormones and neurotransmitters are regulated by your exposure to different spectrum of light, so the red light present at dusk and dawn.

And the scientific validation of it is interesting also and the history of it. Or just, there's been sun worshiping cultures throughout recorded history, but I have never been able to find it definitive practice for it. And so when I talk about it, because I do it just about every morning, we don't get sun as many days as you do probably, but out that window right now, you can see the sunrise depending on the year.

I can't see the sun set from here, but I can get that sun rise. So I always leave the curtains open so that the light wakes me up so that I make it in time to see the little gold ball come up. 

 But I always give the caveat, go study with someone before you just randomly start to sun gaze because you could hurt your eyes if you're doing it-- when you get too much UV too late. So did you study with someone or did you just wing it and figure it out? What was the practice that you applied?

[00:42:52] David: Yeah. So I listened to a YouTube. That was my introduction. A friend sent me a YouTube by a gentleman called HRM.

[00:42:59] Luke: HRM. 

[00:43:00] David: HRM, yeah. Hira Haram Matic, something like that. But HRM sun gazing, you'll find it online and he's got a beautiful teaching of what happens through the different stages. But basically it was, you start at 10 seconds. And you only add 10 seconds a day, every day for nine months. And that gets you up to--

[00:43:23] Luke: Oh man. Really?

[00:43:24] David: That gets you up to 45 minutes.

[00:43:25] Luke: I definitely did it wrong if that's the right way.

[00:43:29] David: Yeah. And yet you only do it in the first hour of the day or the last hour of the day. And the reason for that is there's no UV rays that can damage the eyes, so you can actually damage your eyes if you do it in the middle of the day. So yeah, that's a really good practice because it's very kind on the body and your eyes will also let you know if you're going too far too quick.

If you're at one minute and you wanted to try going straight to 20, you mightn't be conditioned for it, so you'd know. But it's the most beautiful process and practice that I've ever done. It's amazing because it's just so easy to do. It's free. It's so kind on the body and most importantly it's so healing and removes those layers of fear and separation that are so apparent in ourgenetics and in our conditioning.

[00:44:18] Luke: That's so interesting because I know that it's been couched more as a spiritual practice historically, but I think because I came in it through the promise of the health benefits that I discounted the spiritual element of it. Now that you're framing it that way I'm like, oh, I forgot about that part or I don't know that I ever paid that much attention. 

To me I just know if I wake up in time to sun gaze, especially if I get a good sunrise and there's not a lot of cloud cover and I get that red light, invariably I will have tons of energy that day and be in a great mood. So for me it's more of a biological practice, but I really am excited to take it deeper and actually connect with it in a different way.

[00:45:04] David: It's very important, especially, uh, I mean, it's always been very important because it's the source of who we are. It's literally the sun of God and it's the source of all life within this solar system and everything else within this solar system is following the sun spiraling behind it in a vortextual movement through the galaxy.

And the sun's putting out a huge golden shower that's protecting our planet as we move into this, stage of more light actually. So getting that light in through our eyes has certain receptors that will turn on and other ones will turn off. And then there's other things we can do like get some of the density out of our diet is another big one.

It's really important at the moment as well because the sun gives out neutrinos, which is really what nutrients are. So as we're coming into the activation of our light bodies, if we can get those neutrinos and light, then when the more advanced energy comes out from the sun, we'll be prepared for it. Because if we're not, it can be harmful.

[00:46:10] Luke: I was thinking about the 10 seconds thing and think, God, Luke, you really screwed that up. Hey, I've only ever sun gazed probably in the first 20 minutes when the sun comes up. But I have used that like, oh, that feels a little bright. Then all I do is just lower or raise my gaze a few degrees so that the light's still in my eyes, but I'm not actually looking directly at it.

So if I have a clean horizon, say in the desert where there's no obstruction from a mountain or something, then I'll look directly at it for the first, I don't know, a couple minutes maybe. And then as it starts to get a little more intense, I'll just lower my gaze and just keep lowering my gaze. But I actually stay there still exposed to the light, just not looking at it.

I mean, I'm not blind yet, but it is something that, as I said, I do want to just caveat for people, because if you just say, oh yeah, sun gazing is great for you, then someone could go out at noon and start staring at the sun and get themselves in trouble. But like you said, the first hour, no UV.

So if youget the guy on YouTube and we'll put that in the show notes. That's really good information. And the spiritual part of it too. Wow, that's really-- I don't know how I missed that. So thank you for bringing that in.

I can tell even though you're the CEO of a company, if I didn't mention it, you probably never would, because you're not a salesy kind of guy, which is great, but also when someone makes something really cool, I want to share it. And so when I got your PDF deck of this company, Manna from Gabrielle, shout out to Gabrielle.

Thanks for the intro there to you and this stuff. Originally, I thought it was this other green powder, which was really nice as someone sent it to me. I think it was called Manna, is a few years back. And it was a really high quality spirulina and all the things. It was nice. But not terribly unique.

So I thought at first it was that, but then when I read the deck I was like, oh, Shilajit, bing, got my attention. Ormus, bing. Plasma C minerals, bing. All the stuff that I really like and I'm into elemental nutrition. So I want to dive a little bit deeper into each of the ingredients. It sounds like you've gone to the ends of the earth to source things.

And also, to be fair and realistic, I did take all kinds of different nootropics and a very small amount of LSD today. And so I might have been feeling great already. Who knows? I had a lot of liver for lunch, so a lot of nutritional density today. But when you guys showed up and I poured this in a glass of water and just chugged it back, I mean, it was very apparent that there was a lot of energy in this.

So I want to, um, I want to share it with the audience. So those guys that are watching on video also, it has really beautiful packaging. And being an aesthetically driven person, I was like, oh yeah, this is legit. So the way it works is it comes in this little packet. And on this side, it's a soft little pillow. And then this side is more of a firm a cardboard. 

And so all you do is you just basically take this and you just twist it in half and squeeze it and it just drips out into your water or whatever drink and you stir up. So super easy to take. And as someone who's been using Shilajit for many years, that stuff's not easy to work with.

 And it's also difficult to source because it can be prone to heavy metals and yeast and mold and all kinds of funky stuff, as I'm sure you've known from your research. So let's learn a little bit more about this.

[00:49:25] David: Sure. So why Manna excites me so much is I look at nutrition now as what's the first principles of nutrition? What's the closest thing to that field? And to me that's the atom. So what product is going to have all of those different atomic structures in it? What we've done with the Manna is we've got the most concentrated ocean plasma we can get, which was from the Dead Sea and then we've got the most concentrated plant-based supplement that we can get, which is Shilajit from above 16,000 feet.

So one's black, when we're finished with the Dead Sea ocean plasma, it turns white because we put it through a vortex device with a rotating magnetic field. So it forms a precipitate. And then we put those two together. And when we test them in laboratory, where one's not so high, the other one makes up for it. So we see it as the black and white keys on a piano. It's like, if you're playing a song with 20 keys on a piano, you're only going to get so much of a song. But if you have the whole keyboard, then you can play all of those different notes. 

[00:50:46] Luke: Eighty eight keys on the piano, 88 days, sleeping next to the Dead Sea.

[00:50:51] David: And 88 different minerals in the product.

[00:50:54] Luke: Oh, that's right.

[00:50:56] David: In the Shilajit, 108 in the ocean plasma. 

[00:50:59] Luke: Wow. 

[00:51:00] David: So yeah. The reason I'm so passionate about having that first principles of nutrition in the product is that's no longer in our food, in our soils anymore. So the US Department of Agriculture has found that over the last a 100 years, 80% of the minerals that we're in the soil are now taken out from commercial farming. So it doesn't matter what food we eat, it doesn't matter what we take, if we don't have--

[00:51:22] Luke: A kale smoothie ain't going to do it.

[00:51:23] David: If we don't have those building blocks, then we're going to be deficient somewhere. And it's not even necessarily that our body needs access to all of those different 108 nutrients, but at least if it's got access to them, it can choose which one it wants and it can just get rid of the rest. So it's honoring our body as the most advanced technology in the universe, that if we give it access to everything, it can pick and choose what it needs and function in an optimal state.

[00:51:53] Luke: And then what about the Ormus element I saw on the ingredient deck and on that PDF, Ormus, and this is something I heard about many years ago, and I've always, I don't know if suspicious is the right word, but it's like with quantum energy. I work with a lot of quantum energy stuff and I believe in the things that I'm using and promoting and guys I have on the show and stuff. But there's also a mass market of quantum energy stuff that is total bullshit. 

And I've always had a sense that since Ormus is seemingly hard to prove, that you could just say anything has Ormus because it's invisible or just a white powder, whatever. So what is Ormus? My understanding is that it is elements that are outside of the periodic table, like subatomic elements or something. Could you break down what Ormus is and how one can discern when something actually has Ormus in it or not?

[00:52:45] David: Absolutely. So I mean, Ormus is actually in everything Ormus means rearranged monoatomic elements. Okay. So orderly rearranged monoatomic elements. It's only a word that's been around for 30 years, made by a gentleman called David Hudson. So the original word for it really in Egypt was mfkzt or in the Hebrew language was manna.

There's three main ways to produce it. One is from seawater, the other is from dead seawater. And those two sources are very different. And the third way is from precious metals. So when I was in Egypt in 2014, the guardian of the Sphinx gave me a document of those three ways. I didn't know what Ormus was at the time or mfkzt. So he gave me a document which showed three different ways to produce those. And when I got back to--

[00:53:33] Luke: No way, really? Why did he give that to you?

[00:53:37] David: I'm not sure. I mean we just ended up-- I wasn't planning to go to Egypt. Um, I was with three other people and it was like the 8th of November, 2014. And one of the guys, we were trying to decide where to go, what to do. And one of the guys said, on my vision board, I've got Egypt three times. So I said, let's have a look at flights. And there was a half price flight to go on November 11. So we went over there, arrived 11/11 and we literally had no plan, didn't know where we were going to stay.

[00:54:10] Luke: How old are you at the time?

[00:54:12] David: I'm 46 now, so I would've been, let's say 37.

[00:54:15] Luke: Okay. That sounds about right. Those kind of plans where you have no plans work really well when you're young. That would be terrifying to me at this point in my life.

[00:54:24] David: Yeah.

[00:54:24] Luke: I want to know what seat on the plane. I need leg room. It has to be a nice Uber. I'm very high maintenance now. I can't travel just, oh, we'll see what happens. Anyway, carry on.

[00:54:38] David: That was the experience in getting to Egypt. And then when we got there, we didn't have any plans. So just organically ended up spending a lot of time with this gentleman. His name was G-O-D-A, Goda. He actually left his body about two years ago.

 But yeah, we just became friends and he was taking me upstairs and we're doing tea readings. And then he actually took me underneath the Sphinx, his hotel and the building, the whole block that he owned was the closest building to the Sphinx. And that guardianship had been in his family for thousands of years.

[00:55:11] Luke: Wow.

[00:55:12] David: I don't know the answer to why he gave it me. 

[00:55:15] Luke: And so essentially this was the formula of the three ways to extract what we now call Ormus from these raw elements.

[00:55:22] David: Exactly.

[00:55:23] Luke: Wow. I mean, talk about fate.

[00:55:27] David: Totally.

[00:55:27] Luke: I love stories like that because even a skeptic can't be like, oh, it's just random. It's like you were supposed to be there. You got there on a certain date. You met that guy. I mean, there's so many things like we were talking about earlier, have to align to facilitate that result, that you have to live in the mystery to understand how that works and also have the wherewithal to follow it.

He could have handed you that document like, oh, whatever, some old crusty document and not seen the value in it or not had your curiosity peaked enough to actually go, well, they gave it to me. Maybe there's a reason. Let me explore that reason. And now I just had a drink of it.

[00:56:04] David: And that's how I could tell there was something in it for me is when I got back to my place at Byron Bay and turned the place into a lab in that first month and had produced the Manna from the three different ways that were on the piece--

[00:56:15] Luke: And it worked?

[00:56:17] David: Uh, yeah, it worked. Produced them all the three different ways and started sharing it with people and they were coming back to me with really crazy experiences and I stopped and I thought, I've got to find out more about this.

[00:56:27] Luke: The crazy scary experiences? Were there--

[00:56:31] David: No, they were good experiences, but experiences that were psychological for people. And so I felt a responsibility to, one, learn more about what I was doing. I wanted to know if there was ways I could do it better and find out if there was someone I could spend some time with that knew how to make it as well, to see if there was anything else that I could improve on. Basically, that's just the way my brain works. So I sought out a gentleman called Barry Carter, and he was known as the librarian on the planet for Ormus for 30 years. 

Really? 

Yeah. And he lived in, uh, Baker City, Oregon. So I went and stayed with him for a week and-- 

[00:57:12] Luke: And he just allowed you to come apprentice with him and just learn?

[00:57:16] David: Yeah, I just contacted him and said, can I come and stay with you? This is the situation. He said, okay. And I don't think he had had anybody stay with him for a long time, by the situation that I arrived to. And it was a beautiful experience for a week. He really opened up to me and by the end of that period, at the end of the week, he actually gave me 1.4 terabytes of information, which was his life's work on Ormus. And yeah, this was back in 2015. So 1.4 terabytes of information back then was a lot. I still haven't gone through it all.

[00:57:52] Luke: Oh, my God. And I'm assuming these terabytes are largely comprised of written documents?

[00:57:58] David: There's a lot of presentations and video videos on there as well.

[00:58:01] Luke: Oh, okay. Got it. I was like, I'm thinking just a bunch of ancient scrolls. I'm like, that's a lot of goddamn word documents, man. a couple kilobytes each.

[00:58:09] David: Yeah. No, but there is a lot of information in there. 

[00:58:11] Luke: So he had just compiled all of this research and basically handed it off to you in multiple formats? 

[00:58:18] David: Correct. Yeah. He had, uh, different chat groups online and on Facebook and stuff like that. So he'd just been attracting a lot of information, just compiling it. So I stayed with him for a week. I didn't have any plans to do anything after that.

 But I know a bunch of these underground alchemist and different science labs. And he said, um, why don't you reach out to a few of these people and go and visit them to learn more about it? So I bought an old F-150 truck and, um--

[00:58:45] Luke: You would've fit in great here in Texas. Every other car is one of those.

[00:58:49] David: Yeah, we didn't actually make it to Texas. This is my first time, but mainly stayed over on the west side. But yeah, it was an amazing experience because we spent the next three months driving around visiting a whole bunch of alchemists and underground labs. And the exchange was that if you'd let me stay with you and show me what you're doing, then I'll give you this 1.4 terabytes of information and Barry had given me the okay to do that.

[00:59:15] Luke: Oh, that's so cool.

[00:59:17] David: It was cool. Yeah. And then--

[00:59:19] Luke: And at this time you weren't like, ooh, I'm going to make an Ormus product. You just are experimenting and wanting to learn about how to do it and what its benefits are and such?

[00:59:27] David: Pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. I was still seeking at the time and I was pretty curious to find out more about it because it was talked a lot of this elixir of life or fountain of youth and when you take it, you become one with the gods, and the kings, and high priestess in the past were using it and potentially it had these qualities. So, uh, at the time I was fascinated to find out more.

[00:59:52] Luke: What about, uh, monoatomic gold? Is that something you've researched at all?

[00:59:58] David: Absolutely. So, uh, right now actually in the high Himalaya Mountains we have monks producing liquid monoatomic gold for us from 24 carat gold for 42-stage process. Yeah. So we have actually got a suite of products coming through Manna that will be a liquid replacement for food with the intention of genetic liberation and activating the light body.

[01:00:24] Luke: Wow. Yeah. Every once in a while, I'll run into an alchemist type person and they'll have some little vial of what they call monoatomic gold. I've never really known what it is, but it's just interesting to me. I only had it once. Interesting time now that I think about it.

I was in a small group, uh, mushroom journey and one of the co-facilitators had mentioned that they had this monoatomic gold and it just stuck in my head for some reason. And that at a certain point, maybe three or four hours into the journey, I was looking at my relationship to currency and just money and how all of that works and how to have a healthier relationship with it.

And I was in the middle of that thing and the thought came to me, you need some of that gold. This is part of this riddle. And I got up and was like, give me some of that gold. And she came over and gave it to me in the middle of the journey. I think that was-- that's the only time I remember actually having it. Yeah, it's funny. 

[01:01:25] David: Nice. 

[01:01:26] Luke: Yeah, it was just, why did that pop into my head? Why did I ever remember that I'm in the middle of this really deep, profound experience, healing all kinds of things, doing all kinds of things. And then when it got to that topic, it was like, ding, I need that gold stuff. And I don't know what it did or how it contributed, but again, I don't live in a world where there are accidents. So perhaps it did have some resonance in that moment.

[01:01:49] David: Yeah. Well, gold is a carrier of light. It's the highest frequency of precious metal, and when we put it through in our chemical process and it loses its metallic form it, it turns into a white powder or a red/ yellow liquid. And once we consume that, again, it can activate certain things and turn other things off. But it's all about bringing more light into the body and being able to hold more capacity and light in the vehicle.

[01:02:19] Luke: Wow. This is so fun. So I have the vision of you get your monoatomic gold product sorted out. Start taking that prior to sun gazing or doing the red light therapy or whatever. I love just intuitively stacking different things that seem to have synergy. Do you think there's anything to that idea?

[01:02:41] David: Of course. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, this product is going to get the electrical system turned on, so there's a whole bunch of different things that it does. But really it's getting all of those fluids you mentioned before that were 99% water or 99.9% water by molecular count, but none of that water inside us is freshwater. It's all saltwater. So we're literally saltwater beings. So once we get that electrical system turned on, the main three fluids of the blood plasma, the interstitium, and the intercellular fluid, and they can also communicate correctly together.

Once they have all of those electrolytes, they can communicate with the other cells inside the vessel. They can also communicate with your high dimensional template. They can also hold more light. That's once we introduce the gold into that. That amplifies this product from the testing we're doing at the moment a 100 fold.

[01:03:41] Luke: Oh, my God. Dude, have you thought of integrating methylene blue into any of this? Do you know about methylene blue?

[01:03:48] David: Oh, I just got told about it yesterday actually. I don't know enough about it.

[01:03:51] Luke: Yeah. I mean, it's a synthetic. I believe it's the first pharmaceutical drug. I think they used it in, I don't know, the Civil War or something. Goes back a ways, but it works topically as an antiseptic, but it has a really interesting effect on the mitochondria.

Because it allows the mitochondria to produce more ATP. I think if I have this right. I've interviewed a bunch of super smart people about it, without needing oxygen to do it. It's super trippy stuff. But the interesting thing about methylene blue, and your colleague, Beth McDougall, I was listening to the podcast you sent at her clinic out in the Bay Area at Jyzen.

She does methylene blue IVs, which I've done a lot of. And then she combines it with red light therapy because methylene blue has this reflective relationship with light specifically 660 nanometer red light. And so if you think about the mitochondria really being fueled ultimately by light and producing light, and producing exclusion zone water, I don't know where I'm going with all this, but there's some synergy with all of this, right?

[01:04:58] David: Yeah. And I think where you're going with it is it comes back again. Our body is actually the most advanced technology in the universe. And what I mean by that is it's actually capable of anything. So our current medicine and science, as an example, says we can't produce vitamins. We have to get them from food. But we can produce vitamins. Once our body goes through this process of genetic liberation, we can actually live off photosynthesis. So our enzymes can start photosynthesizing light and producing all of those other things that we currently need from food.

[01:05:36] Luke: Imagine all the problems that would be solved if humankind did not have this rapacious relationship with the energy needed to consume, to fuel the body.

[01:05:48] David: Yes.

[01:05:48] Luke: I think about, because I find eating, I mean, I'm grateful that I have enough food to eat. There are many people that don't, so I'll add that caveat. But I find food just so annoying. Honestly, just everyone, when are we going to eat? Where are we going to eat? We need groceries. We got to order food. Then we got to eat the food. Cook the food. Do the dishes. It's like everything revolves around food. It annoys the shit of me. 

Now, occasionally I like a nice meal and there's a certain pleasure in enjoying food. But I think that I'm meant for the future that you talk about where you just go out and sunbathe with some Ormus in your bloodstream and you're good to go. But I mean, the entire world economy and all this consumption of energy and all this destruction of the planet, or at least a lot of it is based around the need to eat food.

And subjugating all of these animals, and I eat animals. I need to eat animals at this point in my body's evolution. But much of the way that we produce animal foods, as I'm sure you know is just satanic and horrific. Add that in there and just what we do to the land to grow vegetables, even people that are eating a vegan plant-based diet probably don't realize how much the land is raped to produce those calories that they're consuming too.

[01:06:53] David: Yeah. I mean, firstly it's unsustainable and secondly, it's a big part of what's holding us in separation of fear. So it's holding us in that conditioning. That cycle's ending now. We're moving into a new one.

[01:07:06] Luke: I like the confidence with which you state that. You said that a number of times. I mean, are you sure this is going to happen?

[01:07:11] David: Absolutely.

[01:07:12] Luke: Yeah?

[01:07:12] David: Yeah.

[01:07:13] Luke: Do you think--

[01:07:13] David: There's no alternative.

[01:07:14] Luke: Do you think it will be within our lifetime where we crack the code on this photosynthesis and things like you're describing?

[01:07:20] David: I do, yes. Yeah. And it's even something like AGI or singularity. So AI, automated intelligence, I call it, is going to go exponential in the next five, 10 years. And that computing power will actually become fascinated in solving the human being because the computational quality that's happening inside of us is unsolveable.

So something that has such incredible computational power will become obsessed in trying to solve that. And along that journey of trying to solve an unsolvable riddle, it will solve a lot of things. So longevity will go through the roof. Disease, illness, a lot of those things that have plagued us to this point. We'll get answers to all of that. That will help us transcend into a new human species as well.

[01:08:18] Luke: How do we circumvent the powers that be, that live in a state of scarcity, that currently proliferate systems of disease with the way that we produce our food and "medicine", the medical system, the financial system, all these systems that are in place, which are essentially just different forms of slavery?

And there are entities that have wrestled control of our civilization. I mean, not to get like negative or conspiratorial, but that's what's happening and what's been happening for a very long time. How do we circumvent the powers that be, who don't want things like free energy and a body that heals itself and doesn't need food and all of these things that you describe?

There seems to be forces working against this with the suppression of things like free energy. I mean, there's been people that figure out how to run a car on water and then they mysteriously end up with a suicide wound to the back.

[01:09:15] David: Yeah. Totally. I think, again, it's um, when we understand that polarity exists, there's always going to be light and dark, and there's always going to be resistance to change. But if we can just focus on our passion and what inspires us and understand that that feeds the field, the more of us that do that, it has more impact on that field so that that field is actually manifesting through every being. 

It gives them the opportunity to start feeling more connected and more love, because every human being that I've ever met wants to love and wants to be loved. It's just a matter of how long it takes before we get through that process. For me, it's really just focusing on the light and doing the best that we can as individuals and sharing that good news.

[01:10:09] Luke: When can we expect this monoatomic gold next-level product or the other products that you have coming after, uh, the Manna?

[01:10:17] David: Yeah. So as I said, the gold is being produced for us in the Himalayas at the moment. And we'll do a production run with. I want to say in three months’ time. So it'll be available in probably six months. So it'd be nice to launch it maybe September 21, which is, from Australia, that's the spring equinox.

So from an alchemy perspective, that's when nature has its most energy to express. It's just been dormant. It's been resting. It's rejuvenated. And it's got its full expression to give through the summer. So that's the date that we're looking at.

[01:10:49] Luke: How did you source such potent Shilajit and what have you done to ensure that there's no contamination? Because I've heard wild stories about Shilajit, one of which, I don't know is true, but it just goes through the thoughts sphere of people like me that are interested in these things.

But I've heard one story, for example, that one of the ways that they essentially harvest Shilajit is by blowing up these mountains with dynamite. Because it's really high up and you need to get it out from these rock crevices and stuff. And so you end up with explosive debris essentially in the Shilajit and all kinds of weird stuff.

How did you arrive at a level of purity and potency? What was that process like? Did you have to go to the Himalayas yourself or did you make contacts? I'm just curious the way that worked.

[01:11:35] David: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I set myself a goal with Shilajit at finding the 20 best suppliers on the planet. So I'd been introduced to one who lives in Tibet, who has a very special Shilajit that's been passed down through generations. He only has a relatively small supply. So I had to find other suppliers. Exactly what you said. I actually went to the locations. Lab tested a whole bunch of different ones.

[01:12:02] Luke: And you find any of them to contain metals or mold or anything? You did?

[01:12:07] David: Totally.

[01:12:07] Luke: Wow. 

[01:12:08] David: And it was funny, the ones that were at the lower altitudes were the ones with less nutrients and more heavy metals.

[01:12:14] Luke: Oh, right.

[01:12:15] David: Yeah. So as an example, most Shilajit has between, let's say eight and 21% fulvic acid component in it, which is one of the main active ingredients, a really special ingredient.

[01:12:28] Luke: And is that what gives it the nootropic effect? Well, not just nootropic, but Shilajit is a potentiator of other things. If you put Shilajit in your coffee, your coffee's way stronger. If you microdose some mushrooms with Shilajit, it's too strong, which I've hard the way.

[01:12:43] David: It's a neutrophil.

[01:12:44] Luke: Is that true or is it just in my head? Okay.

[01:12:46] David: Yeah. There's some good clinical studies on that.

[01:12:48] Luke: Fulvic acid that's doing that or what do you think?

[01:12:49] David: It's a big part of it. Yeah. It's combination of other enzymes and different things that are in there as well. Uh, but the fulvic acid's a huge part of it. And the fulvic acid also looks out for electrolytes and trace minerals. That's why when you combine it with that hypertonic ocean plasma, it's so powerful because it's looking for those and then it transports them through the body. 

And the fulvic acid's also an incredible adaptogen, so it helps with the absorption as well. So the fulvic acid that's in our Shilajit is 88%, which is the highest on the planet. So that's one of the reasons that it has such an incredible impact.

[01:13:23] Luke: I picture it being, okay, you're up in Tibet or Nepal or wherever, and you're 16,000 feet up and it's just solid rock everywhere. And then I picture these little crevices in the rocks from millennia past where decomposed plant, maybe even animal matter, has just degraded over time.

And essentially the minerals that made those plants and animals have just been consolidated into this black tar. And it's stuck in between rocks and someone has to go get it out. Is that anything like what it's like in real life?

[01:13:57] David: It's different everywhere. So Shilajit comes through the Himalayas, Tibet, Southern China, Mongolia, Russia, and Siberia. So there's huge mountain ranges. Everything of what I just said would be like going from LA to New York and back twice.

[01:14:13] Luke: Wow.

[01:14:13] David: The sustainability of it's really high, because that was something-- 

[01:14:16] Luke: Oh, good. Because I'm scared that going to run out.

[01:14:18] David: No.

[01:14:19] Luke: Because it's in my top 10 substances that I take every day. Okay. Good.

[01:14:23] David: Yeah. One of the challenges with it, if you're getting it from those high altitudes, is it's really hard work. I went over to Everest in 2019 and I got such a deep appreciation for the Sherpas getting the Shilajit, because it's very high altitude.

The tracks are terrible. It's extremely dangerous and it's heavy. To fill a sac full of Shilajit is really heavy. And the other thing is you can only really get it for, depending on where you are, how high you are. You can only really get it for four to eight weeks of the year. Depending on the season-- 

[01:14:58] Luke: Oh, it's covered.

[01:14:59] David: It's covered in snow. 

[01:15:00] Luke: I never even thought about that.

[01:15:01] David: Yeah. So there's a window. Uh, so this year as an example, we'll employ 600 people to go out and get the Shilajit in July and August. 

[01:15:11] Luke: Really? Holy shit is so interesting. I love this stuff. So if it's in that large swath of land, in that mountain range, it begs the question, why can't it be found in the rocky mountains of the US or any other epic mountain ranges? Isn't that strange that it just ended up there? I wonder why.

[01:15:31] David: Yeah. I think it's to do with what you said earlier, this has been in the mountains. It's debatable whether it's thousands of years or millions of years, but I think it's dating back to a prehistoric time where at those altitudes, those plants we're producing or existing, that are producing the Shilajit and now the lower altitudes where we are that just didn't have that plant matter. That's how I see it.

[01:15:55] Luke: Right. Oh, that's so interesting. I love it. I want to take some more. Is there anything else in Manna that I missed?

[01:16:03] David: No, that's it. I mean--

[01:16:04] Luke: So the Ormus is really part of the sea mineral solution.

[01:16:09] David: Correct. Yeah. The Ormus that's in this is from the Dead Sea and from water that we collect off Tasmania. So it's a 50/50 mix that goes through a proprietary structuring device. But there isn't almost made from gold in this product yet.

[01:16:27] Luke: That's coming soon. And for those that are listening to this, I should have mentioned this earlier, but if you go to lukestorey.com/manna, M-A-N-N-A, and use the code LUKE20, you get 20% off this stuff. Not just saying this because you're here, I highly recommend you trying it out. I think anyone that tries this is going to be like, oh shit. I mean it's pretty impressive, dude.

[01:16:47] David: Thank you.

[01:16:47] Luke: I take a lot of supplements. I try a lot of stuff, and some of them are cool and some of them are really impressive. This would be categorized in a really impressive, uh, category for me.

[01:16:56] David: Thank you. And probably the other worth mentioning on it is, within the formulation, we did actually spend quite a bit of time trying to improve the taste of the Shilajit, andthe ocean plasma as well because it's so concentrated. So it's at 400,000 parts per million. 

[01:17:15] Luke: What? 

[01:17:16] David: If you go much further than that, the water solidifies. So in the bottom of our holding tank, we actually have crystals growing like magnesium crystals, potassium crystals.

[01:17:26] Luke: Where are your operations? Where are you manufacturing?

[01:17:28] David: In Australia.

[01:17:29] Luke: Oh, okay. For ocean it sounds so cool. Four thousand PPM, is that what you said? 

[01:17:36] David: Four hundred thousand. 

[01:17:37] Luke: Four hundred thousand?

[01:17:38] David: Yeah.

[01:17:38] Luke: I mean, a bottle of Mountain Valley Spring water is 320 PPM or something. I mean, that's crazy. How much is-- what's the PPM of just the Pacific Ocean or the ocean in Australia? Do you happen to know? 

[01:17:52] David: Uh, Yeah. It's, uh, 900.

[01:17:56] Luke: Four hundred thousand. That's a lot of minerals. That's crazy. But these minerals are bioavailable, I'm assuming, because they're oceanic minerals versus drinking spring water here in Texas that's run through a bunch of limestone and is largely just inorganic, dissolved calcium that your body can't really do anything with.

[01:18:18] David: A 100%. Yeah.

[01:18:20] Luke: So we've got the bioavailability because we're made of saltwater. But the soil that we're growing our food in has been depleted of the minerals that would've come out of the ocean when it was all covered by the ocean. But now the oceans have receded over time, all those minerals are concentrated in the ocean and not in the soil anymore because humans are idiots and used all the petrol chemicals left over from World War II to start farming with.

[01:18:45] David: That's it. So the ingredients that are in there, we can't get any more concentrated. So there's a 1,000 milligrams of the ocean plasma. There's a 1,000 milligrams of the Shilajit, which is a really generous dose.

[01:18:58] Luke: That's a gram.

[01:18:59] David: Correct.

[01:19:00] Luke: Wow. That is a lot. That's a big chunk. If you have the tar--

[01:19:03] David: It's like a pea-size chunk. Yeah.

[01:19:05] Luke: Yeah. Wow.

[01:19:06] David: And then because they're so concentrated, the taste is so intense. So that's what we worked on a lot was we've added six other spices, and ingredients in not there--

[01:19:17] Luke: Not MSG, right?

[01:19:18] David: No.

[01:19:19] Luke: Whenever I see spices on something, I'm like, ah, I was eating some chips two nights ago and it was spice extract. I'm like, ah, got you. Spice extract my ass.

[01:19:29] David: No, it's spices from the local area over there are organic. We get them from a special farm and, um, it actually makes it so that you can just have it with water and it tastes pleasant, which is awesome.

[01:19:41] Luke: Um, I'm able to eat or drink just about anything no matter how crappy it tastes, because um, if it's good for me, I'll just do it. It's like medicine. But, uh, this actually didn't taste bad. Shilajit is pretty gnarly. It'll ruin your coffee basically. But I imagine if you were to just put this in any smoothie or a nut milk or something, you probably wouldn't even notice it.

[01:20:02] David: Exactly. And that's how we wanted to design it. So I still wouldn't recommend taking it straight, even though a lot of people do, which I do.

[01:20:09] Luke: Of course, I did. I didn't know how to work the little [Inaudible] package. So I just ended up licking it out of there, which it still wasn't bad. 

[01:20:18] David: Yeah. And it's a new sachet so people won't know how to use it. They'll have never seen it before. But on the homepage of our website, we've got a great little video which shows how to take it out of the box and squeeze it. So it's the size of a credit card. One side opens as you showed before.

[01:20:32] Luke: Yeah, you fold it in half and it pops right out. 

[01:20:34] David: That's it.

[01:20:35] Luke: And it seems like you're able to get all of it out too. It annoys me with packaging where it's something really valuable and you know there's some left when you throw it away, like, ah, especially if it was an expensive supplement or something.

What's your relationship with, I mentioned her earlier, but I just wanted to expand on that with, Dr. Beth McDougall who seems really fascinating and someone that I definitely want to meet and maybe even interview. How did you get involved with her and what's her relationship to your company or the different projects you're working on?

[01:21:04] David: Yeah. So my other business partner, Brad McDonnell, him and I went over to Sausalito back in 2018 to talk with two of our friends. One of those was Dr. Beth McDougall, and she decided to come on as a business partner as well. So it's the three of us and her partner Mark.

The four of us own the company. And she's really the spokesperson for Manna for that clinical side. She's a MD and can break down all of the clinical studies in a way that people can understand them. She adores the product. She boldly says it's the one product that she takes every day and will never not take.

[01:21:40] Luke: Yeah. I'm getting a sense it's going to be that way for me too, to be honest. And listening to that podcast, she was on, I think it was Ben Greenfield, her place, this Jyzen sounds really awesome. This clinic she's got out there and I think it's in Marin County or something, near Sausalito. Yeah.

But she is rattling off all the modalities and technologies is like, yes, yes. She's doing all the cool stuff. And even a lot of things I hadn't even heard of. So I'm going to definitely do my best to get out there and meet her and see what she's up to.

[01:22:06] David: From my perspective, it's the most advanced bio-optimization center on the planet.

[01:22:11] Luke: I mean, based on that interview, they had more stuff in one place than I've ever heard of.

[01:22:16] David: Correct. Yeah. So if you can, get there, meet Dr. Beth. She's an incredible being of light and I think you'd love her. 

[01:22:23] Luke: Yeah. I think so too. Yeah. Well, we're going to be out there in about a month visiting my mom and going to a retreat out there, so I'm going to be about 40 minutes away from there.

[01:22:32] David: Beautiful. 

[01:22:32] Luke: Yeah, in Calistoga. So you've traveled to these sacred sites, Machu Picchu, the pyramids in Egypt, etc, and Shasta being one of these power centers that's widely known. What was your experience there? 

I talked about it with the incredible spring that's there, but Shasta has this really funny big foot alien mystique around it where there is a pretty decent swath of subculture people that think that there's actually a civilization living inside Lake Shasta underground. And the stories get pretty crazy around that area for some reason. Did anything supernatural or interesting transpire when you were there, or were you impressed by it in any way?

[01:23:13] David: Yeah, I always say it's my second favorite place on the planet. 

[01:23:16] Luke: Really?

[01:23:16] David: Yeah. And, um--

[01:23:18] Luke: What's first?

[01:23:18] David: The Dead Sea.

[01:23:20] Luke: Oh, okay. Of course.

[01:23:21] David: Yeah. I know the story of the Lemurians and the telos beings that exist there. For me, I haven't had any of those experiences of interaction with beings, but the reason I call it my second favorite place is the water. I just love the different water expressions there and having a conversation earlier how important water is. So you got Stewart Springs just up the road. I think that's actually--

[01:23:44] Luke: That hot spring place? 

[01:23:45] David: Yeah. 

[01:23:46] Luke: Did you go in the tubs, inside?

[01:23:49] David: Yes. The tub, the sauna, then the fresh water.

[01:23:51] Luke: Dude, when I went in the-- I was up at this farm called BelCampo up there a few years ago. And everywhere I go, the first thing I do is Google, where's the hot springs? I mean, absolute first thing. I don't Google. I hate that word. I web search it. Google's evil. Don't kick me off there, please Google. I use your Drive a lot. 

So I find that hot spring and I go there and I had said something-- there was a sign on the wall that said, don't get a massage in this water or something like that. And I was like, oh, whatever. Interesting. And so I went in and even though you're in a room by yourself, I wore shorts because I wanted to be able to go jump in the Cold Creek and not have to get dressed and undressed every time. 

And dude, I got these microcuts all over my legs and stuff, I think from my shorts touching some chards of minerals or something. Did you experience that? It cut me up. I was bleeding from just sitting in this tub. This is the weirdest thing ever.

[01:24:48] David: Oh, you hadn't gone from the tub to the sauna?

[01:24:51] Luke: Um, I did both, but--

[01:24:53] David: So what happens is when you get out of the tub, it still has all of the-- because it's such a hypertonic solution. 

[01:25:00] Luke: Okay. 

[01:25:00] David: It's actually the closest water I've seen to the Dead Sea water.

[01:25:04] Luke: Really?

[01:25:05] David: Yeah. You know how it feels like silk, it makes you skin fill like silk.

[01:25:07] Luke: Yeah. And it has a very strange smell. Not sulfur smell like some hot springs. It's almost like ammonia. It's a very strange smell.

[01:25:15] David: It's a different mineral expression. And so when you get out of that water and your short's dry, they go like cardboard. So without you noticing it when you're walking, salt is actually crystallized light. So there'd be sharp components that. 

[01:25:32] Luke: That explains--

[01:25:32] David: Crystals that would've been giving you chafe.

[01:25:35] Luke: Yeah. It was very-- because it wasn't like, uh, if you took sandpaper and rubbed your arm where it just all turned generally red and was irritated. They were little cuts. They were actually bleeding.

[01:25:45] David: Because it would've been crystals. So like the points of the crystals were probably scratching against your skin.

[01:25:51] Luke: Yeah. 

[01:25:51] David: You were walking from one to the sauna.

[01:25:54] Luke: Okay. Noted. If I'm ever back there again, I won't do that. So Shasta for you, the magic of that area is really about the water. So between the spring water around the mountain and then that hot spring?

[01:26:07] David: Correct.

[01:26:08] Luke: Wow, that's pretty impressive considering the travel you've done. 

[01:26:11] David: Yeah. 

[01:26:11] Luke: That it really left that impression.

[01:26:13] David: Yeah. And the Redwoods as well. I mean, they're an incredible being. And once you go a little bit further north, you've got the Smith River and the Rogue River and Cradle Lake. So just that whole area. But yeah, I feel Shasta and Oregon has the best water on the planet, actually second to New Zealand. Yeah, it feels very inductive to me.

[01:26:31] Luke: Yeah, I agree. What about, uh, Machu Picchu? That's somewhere I've not been, is on my reserve bucket list. Not the first bucket list, but it'd be nice. It's not like I'm dying to get there. Did you have any interesting experiences there or anything that informed your worldview career projects, etc?

[01:26:50] David: I did. Yeah. So Machu Picchu has three main mountains you can climb. And the main mountain that everyone thinks is Machu Picchu is actually Wayna Picchu, the Picchu one. So Machu Picchu itself is much higher and only about 20 people a day climate because wherever you are at 2:00 PM, you have to come back down because they don't want to risk people running out of light.

Yeah, I climbed Mach Picchu, made it to the top, and I remember doing a meditation at the top and woke up and there was a condo in front of me. Yeah. And condors don't usually go to those altitudes. And it was interesting because Brad, who I told you about, my business partner, he'd given me a book to read, called The Celestine Prophecy, years before.

And I hadn't read it. And I felt like I wanted to read it on my way to Peru. I was trying to find the book, couldn't find it anywhere, got to the airport, went to the bookshop. They said, no, we don't have it. They said, there's one other bookshop, miles away. So I walked over to that other bookshop to see if they had it, and it was sitting on the counter next to the register, the last one that they had.

So I was actually reading The Celestine prophecy on the plane on the way over. And it literally felt like that kind of journey as I was traveling through the Sacred Valley to get to Machu Picchu, then had the meditation and it was quite early for me. It was 2013, so it was quite early in the journey. But it was still very beautiful. At the bottom in Machu Picchu Village, there's hot springs again. 

[01:28:18] Luke: Really?

[01:28:19] David: Yeah.

[01:28:19] Luke: All right. I'm on it. 

[01:28:20] David: Yeah. The amazing thing with that is you'll do these huge hikes during the day. You come down, you get in the hot springs, and then in the morning you feel like you haven't even walked. They're so rejuvenating. So it's a great example, again, of the minerals of how rejuvenating and revitalizing they are. And then you go into that beautiful deep sleep as well. 

[01:28:40] Luke: To hike at those altitudes, did you chew on any, uh, coca leaf?

[01:28:45] David: While I was hiking, I think I did. Yeah. You fly into Lima, which is the capital of Peru, and when I got to Cusco, which I think is about, uh, I can't remember if it's 5,000 feet or 5,000 meters now, but I actually had altitude sickness there for a couple of days before I started the rest of the journey. So once I got to Mach Picchu, I was acclimatized, I was okay. So yeah.

[01:29:06] Luke: I hear that the local people there use that plant a lot to help them acclimate, and to be able to operate. I love that. I mean, I don't use cocaine, but I love coca Leaf. It's a great, it's a great. to me it's like a tonic herb. I chew on it every day. I'm not addicted though, I swear. No, I'm just kidding.

[01:29:24] David: Awesome.

[01:29:25] Luke: No, I mean, it's so mild compared to the refined version of the street drug, but it's really nice. It's almost like a mild caffeine or something. I mean, much more mild than caffeine, but it's a bit more mood elevating than caffeine. It brightens you up.

It's really nice. Haven't had the chance to test it out with an endurance activity like that or with altitude, but I've always thought it was interesting that the people there will make a tea out of it or they'll chew it in order to be able to hike up those mountains.

[01:29:52] David: Absolutely. 

[01:29:53] Luke: Interesting stuff.

[01:29:54] David: I actually haven't tried it since then.

[01:29:56] Luke: Oh yeah, I got some in my office.

[01:29:58] David: Awesome.

[01:29:59] Luke: Makes a mess out of your mouth, it turns your whole mouth green and it's not pretty. So if you have a date or a photo shoot, maybe save it. Uh, where's your favorite hot springs in the entire world?

[01:30:09] David: Oregon.

[01:30:10] Luke: Yeah?

[01:30:11] David: Yeah.

[01:30:12] Luke: Does it have a name or just in general?

[01:30:14] David: Yeah. So once you get into the-- what is it called? The Umpqua forest.

[01:30:19] Luke: I'm not sure. I'm not familiar with that state. Oh, I've been to Ashland. I think it's called Ashland, Oregon. Right to a hot spring there actually. 

[01:30:27] David: Jackson Springs.

[01:30:28] Luke: Yeah. 

[01:30:29] David: So quite commercial. 

[01:30:30] Luke: Yeah. I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's not like in nature.

[01:30:35] David: Yeah, there's one up there. It's one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. There's literally half a dozen of these pools that cascade down the side of a mountain. The top one's the hottest and you can't get in it.

Or I couldn't get in. It was too hot. The second one, I couldn't get in, it was too hot, but you could dip your foot in it. And then the third one you could get in and then it just gets cooler as it goes down the mountain. And at the bottom was a free-flowing freshwater river. So you could go back and forth. 

[01:31:04] Luke: The best.

[01:31:05] David: Yeah, the best.

[01:31:06] Luke: That's literally the best thing in life. I recreated it here because I have sauna and the cold plunge. Um, and sometimes a jacuzzi when it works, but that's literally my favorite thing ever. If you're ever in Southern California, hidden gem. Well, there's two actually.

They're in the middle of LA in Koreatown. There's a place called Beverly Hot Springs and it's a Korean spa where you go get spa treatments and massages and things like. But the building, the structure is built on top of a natural, geothermal hot spring right in the middle of LA. Very close to downtown LA.

And it's amazing, beautiful spring water. Silky, just incredible spring. But for the nature thing, there's a place called Deep Creek. And what sucks about it and what's good about it is it's really hard to get to. You have to be taken there by someone who knows. And then to get there in a car, you have to go through someone's private property and you stop at this little country ass ranch house and give the guy five bucks and he lets you onto his property.

And then it's about a 30-minute hike down into the Deep Creek Hot Springs. But it's like you describe it. There's these huge boulders and then as the water cascades down the boulders, there's these different pools. And then there's a freezing ass deep pool of a creek right there too. And it's just the best. It's the best.

I would say that's probably my favorite hot spring. Just because there's so many options and it's so beautiful. And because it's hard to get to. If you go on the right day, there's not a lot of people there. Uh, you can't pull your car up to it or anything like that. Um, but I only went I think twice because I could never figure out how to get there.

So I had to wait until someone that knew the way. But it's in between LA and Las Vegas and San Bernardino County. Anyone that's in that scene in Southern California, if they know about it, they'll know how to get there and where it is. So Deep Creek Hot Springs. Put it on your hot spring tour list. 

[01:33:01] David: I will. Thank you. And you guys have the most magnificent hot springs all through Oregon, California, across to Colorado. 

[01:33:09] Luke: There's a lot in Colorado. That's where I first started doing it when I was a little kid. In the Glenwood Springs, hot springs. There's a big pool. They basically have a swimming pool and then there's some vapor caves there right across the street that are geothermal vapor caves that are amazing.

And then recently, someone down the road built a proper little outdoor hot springs center with different pools of different temperatures, probably from the same fountain head. Yeah. Colorado's got great springs. Yeah, it's my home state. Well, dude, I think we did it. I feel like I could just sit and shoot the shit with you forever, so in case the audience is like, okay, I think you guys covered it. I will give them the grace of allowing them to go live their life. 

But, uh, I can't wait to hang out with you and your partner here more. You guys are just kindred spirits, man. We have so much in common. I love what you're doing in the world. You created something, as I said, that's really, really special here, which is awesome.

Just when I think like, eh, I've tried everything, everyone's invented everything cool supplement-wise, you guys really did something quite special. So I'm really, uh, glad to connect with you and see what you come up with next with this gold stuff. And I'm mean, I'm drinking the Kool-Aid.

[01:34:17] David: Thanks, brother. Yeah. Really appreciate you having us on the podcast and love everything you are doing. I can feel your heart as well, and uh, yeah, looking forward to hanging out too, brother.

[01:34:26] Luke: Right on. We'll do it.

[01:34:28] David: Thank you.

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[01:34:29] Luke: Well, thank you so much for joining us today, and big ups to David for going literally to the end of the earth to create his product, Manna. And I've been waiting for someone to really nail Shilajit and ocean minerals in one product. And I got to say, he's gone above and beyond my wildest here with this one.

Again, to try Manna, go to lukestorey.com/manna, and use the code LUKE20 for 20% off, lukestory.com/manna. And I'm really curious to, uh, hear what you guys think of this one. It takes a lot to get me amped up on a new supplement, as you might imagine. I just come across so many cool things, some of them cooler than others, but this one is very special.

 I will give you a heads up though. Because it's so concentrated, it does have a pretty strong flavor. I don't know if you're familiar with Shilajit, but it's potent stuff. It's not bad, just potent. I take mine right under the tongue, straight up, but some folks might prefer to mix it in some chai tea or milk.

So play around with and find your flavor groove. And I can't wait to hear what you guys think about it because Alyson and I are both super into it. So after you try it, I'd like you to do this, shoot me a DM on Instagram with your experience and you can find and follow me there @lukestorey.

Okay, so that was David Reid and Manna. But before we dip, allow me to invite you to join me next week where I sit down with my favorite body worker and master check practitioner, Alex Rybchinskiy of Primal Fusion Health. This cat has had a profound impact on me over the past few months, so I just had to share his wisdom with you.

I'm talking about Episode 469. It's called Teeth to Toes, Root Cause Fixes for Neck and Back Pain With Neurosomatic Therapy. Next week's guest, Alex, is truly a master of anatomy and, uh, at fixing the unfixable. So I'm stoked to share him with you next week.

And we literally go through the whole human body from head to toe and demystify the cause of pain and limited ranges of motion. It's pretty wild. All right, that's it for now. Until we meet again next Tuesday, do your best to love yourself and love everyone you meet, especially those you don't like.

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