Dolf Zantinge:  [00:00:00] I think it's very important that people start to get much more understanding of all elements of the world. Everything is communicating with each other. And I think it's time now that we start to understand that much, much better and show a little bit more respect to it.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:00:24] We're part of nature and nature is not part of us.

Luke Storey:  [00:00:31] Okay, my fellow water fanatics, I have a banger lined up for you today. This is Episode 430, How to Transform Your Drinking Water into a Healing Liquid Crystalline Elixir, with Analemma creators, Dr. Eric Laarakker and Dolf Zantinge. And of course, you'll find complete show notes, links, and transcripts at lukestorey.com/structure. The show notes will also provide links to a dozen or so prior podcasts I've published on the topic of water, one about which I am ever increasingly fascinated. And for those of you who enjoyed my recent shows with both Austin Veda and Gerald Pollack, this one is definitely going to pack a punch.

Now I discovered the Analemma structuring wand a couple of months ago, due to my borderline obsession with this idea of restructuring water. And I've tried many such devices to achieve this. And I got to say after using the Analemma wand for a while, then gaining a deeper understanding in this interview, I'm more excited than ever to share with these two I have come up with. We cover the following topics and many more in this episode: how Dolf and Eric joined forces to work for 13 years to create this highly effective but simple product, the negative effects of EMF on the water in our bodies, the standard practices our society has adopted that cause water to lose its natural order or structure, how the mother water and this wand is created and how it passes on its structure to the water you expose it to.

We also talk about Veda Austin's recent and incredible demonstration of what Analemma does to water, how this quartz crystal wand can save your plants like it has mine, how to structure larger bodies of water such as ice baths, and even swimming pools, how sunlight keeps the mother water inside the vessel thriving, the surprising and free ways you can restructure your own water, and what's coming next for Analemma-- their vision for how they can structure the entire world of water. It's a tall order, but they might just do it.

And if you're a kindred spirit of mine in the pursuit of making water as awesome as possible, you'll probably want to get an Analemma wand yourself after hearing this interview. To do so, visit lukestorey.com/analemma, that's A-N-A-L-E-M-M-A, lukestorey.com/analemma. And these guys have kindly provided a 5% discount code for our listeners as well, which is LUKE5. Now you'll also find this link and code in the notes on your podcast app by the way. Okay, that's it, time to buckle up. Take a deep breath, drink a glass of pure water, then get ready to explore the fascinating world of Analemma on the Life Stylist podcast.

Dolf and Eric, welcome to the Life Stylist podcast.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:03:19] Thank you, Luke.

Luke Storey:  [00:03:21] Yeah, I'm excited to talk to you guys, man. I am literally a water fanatic and have been for-- I don't know. Probably my whole life I've just been drawn to water in all its applications from swimming in all the different waters of nature to exploring ways to optimize water. And I've done a number of podcasts on it at this point. So this will be another one in that series. So people familiar with my passion in water are really going to dig this. 

And for those listening that just think water is H2O and it's just a clear liquid that's around and we drink here and there, we're going to be really diving deep into it. So I'm excited to talk to two scientifically-minded people about the nature of water. As we begin, I'm really curious how you two met. I understand you've been working together for a very long time, but I have yet to hear the origin story of how you connected and aligned your expertise and passion with one another.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:04:16] The story started 14, 15 years ago, Eric was a veterinarian, and my wife was having a horse. So she always talked about how Eric is healing horses. And then at a certain moment, I contacted him and we met. From that moment on, we are keeping on speaking with each other. And we were very excited, but also concerned about many issues that is taking place in the world. And we were able to take over a laboratory from famous professor in Germany Professor Bob who was working in biophotons. 

And then we sat together and then we had so many questions about what is happening in the world, why are suddenly so many strange diseases, allergies, new types of cancers, also cancer cells in animals, so many of them have cancers. So we had so many questions. And we had a lot of doubts on the existing protocols that were in the health area. So Eric and I we sat together many times. And it was such a pleasure to research upon one we moved on, and finally, we had our research team around us, and that is how it all started 14, 15 years ago.

Luke Storey:  [00:05:40] Was this Fritz Popp?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:05:42] Yeah.

Luke Storey:  [00:05:45] I've just heard the name as someone who's very revered scientifically. Could you give a little background on him and how you acquired that lab? That sounds interesting.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:05:57] Well, actually, we were checking out how can we research life, and that's not so easy. And Fritz Popp actually, he was an inventor of the idea that living system collect and they produce biophotons, which has large particles. And he developed a system, how to measure it in dark chambers. He published many publications on it, and so got world famous with it. And he had his laboratory noise in Germany, and we got to know one of the people who worked over there. When he came to the age that he had to stop because of certain diseases, we decided to get the whole lab from Germany to Holland with all the people who work over there.

So we got all the staff of five people. We didn't have any clue at that moment what was happening over there. So we looked at all the research that had been done and started new research, doing on plants to see what happens in life, what are their biophotons. And actually, it was, for us a good first step to see actually what life is and how can you measure like, for instance, if you have an organic tomato or a non-organic tomato, they look the same, or maybe even the non-organic looks better, but they're not the same.

And in biophoton, measuring the biophotons, you can see a lot of answers to that. That means if you have more biophotons in tomato it means there's a lot more life into it. There's a lot more energy into it. So we developed new ways to measure cow cells where you can measure seeds. That's actually how we ended up quickly in water because we saw when we gave different waters to different seeds and see what happens, you immediately see that seed start to respond to different waters. And that's how our whole journey starts.

Luke Storey:  [00:07:59] Wow, that's fascinating. That's a very fateful occurrence. As someone who was so respected as this Popp character was for you guys to meet like that and be able to not only get access to his lab, but also his staff. That's fascinating. That's one of those things that's got to be meant to be. I'm curious about the biophoton piece. Would that be what we're seeing in Kirlian photography or as it's used to take a photo of a tomato or someone's aura or something like that? Is that what we're seeing in that type of photography?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:08:38] No. An aura is different. An aura is constantly fluctuating, alternating colors. So what you do with Kirlian photography is that yes, you measure energy. But in biophotons, you have an ongoing, repeatable, scientific background. So you can measure it and it has a different impact. Because you can measure it [Inaudible 00:09:07]. You can also measure in mineral. You can measure it on plants. In that respect, it's the same. But Kirlian is the outside energy that you measure. In this case, you measure the inside energy, how all things are connected to each other, and how the communication between certain forms into a biological system, how they communicate with each other. So what we saw was the communication system inside.

Luke Storey:  [00:09:32] Oh, interesting.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:09:33] Fire light. So with light, light became for us a language. So the language of light became very important for us.

Luke Storey:  [00:09:44] Yeah, it's very important to me. I would say, my two greatest passions are probably water and light. I'm also fascinated by light, and I'm sure we're going to be talking about the interconnectedness of both of those elements. That's really interesting. You guys created this device or product called the Analemma. So this is a quartz vessel, and this is just the protective sheath that it goes into. And then you take this vessel-- and I actually have some really great spring water here, just for the sake of demonstration. For about 20 or 30 seconds, you submerge and spin or vortex this wand in there.

We're going to get more into this, but I'm still in the background phase of the conversation. You guys took some 13 years to actually research and develop this product, which is staggering because when you look at it, it's beautiful and it's elegantly designed, but it's like, how did that take 13 years? But what I've been curious about in studying your collective story is, before you had a company that was the fruits of your research, how did you guys fund all of this research and fund the lab? I mean, not to get too personal, but I know for most entrepreneurs, 13 years is a long launch pad. You know what I mean? So I've always been curious, what were you guys up to? How were you able to devote time to the research and the development of this product, and also have a life and fund it and all that?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:11:12] Well, we have to go back at the offset when we started off. We did it because we were concerned on what we see on this planet and how things are working. Actually, we saw that quickly soon that water plays a key role in the whole communication system and everything. And we didn't start off to be an entrepreneur, to be honest. We were just trying to get some answers of how life worked, etc. But it was a very, very expensive journey. 

And there was a lot of money from ourselves in. There's a lot of money from also other people that believed in that whole story where we were going. While you want to be sure why it took 13 years, you have to understand because most people when they come up with a water device, they come up with a water device, but it hasn't been proven. It has been done with the pendulum or what people say, what they feel, or you get maybe a little bit more yield or something like that. But we wanted to be sure that what we were doing was right.

And so we bought a whole greenhouse, about five acres just for testing. And we tested years after years after years, also to understand how the biology works. For instance, if you have an organic seed and you give it water, it becomes better. But if you take the seed again out of the tomato and replant it, it becomes better and better up to three, four generations, then it gets stable. And each time we come to complete stability. All the things that we learned from just testing. And it wasn't always that funny, if you know what I mean, especially money-wise, but we needed to do that.

And then another thing that took us also a big part of journey, how to make the water stable. Because usually, all devices that we have been testing before they usually do something, but they are not stable. And we live in an environment, maybe not you over there, but over here in our countries, everywhere there's a 4G, 5G coming up. There's a lot of radiation. There's a lot of miscommunication in the soil. There is a lot of toxins everywhere. That's why we wanted to do all the tests that the water stays stable. So we did test with water we created like you did and tested after half a year, tested after a year it still was stable. And that was a big goal for us to make it stable. But usually, it works for a couple of seconds, half a minute, at a max one day and then it falls back to the noncoherent state, let's put it that way.

Luke Storey:  [00:14:14] Wow. Wow, that's interesting. So have you guys heard of this woman named Veda Austin?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:14:24] Yes.

Luke Storey:  [00:14:24] I recently interviewed her and she's doing some-- for those listening, I'll put the episode with her in the show notes, but she is one of my all-time favorite guests to talk about, someone who really worships water. But you're probably already aware of this, but when she was here, I was asking her about these different structuring devices and if she could test some of them just for my curiosity because I promote a couple of them, including yours now because I love it so much. And she eventually did take some photos and sent them to me on Instagram and it was really interesting to see the Analemma water that she photographed was very unique in its structure. And I'll put the photo in the show notes for people, so they don't have to go find it on Instagram.

But it's unlike many of the other structured water or water that she prays over, sends intention to when she freezes the water and takes photos of the crystals, they'll be these really intricate, and oftentimes, just smaller patterns that are fractal and repetitious and the Analemma water was just like a giant crystal. It was really fascinating to see that, and I was so happy that she took the time to test that. So have you guys happened to have seen that particular photo or have done a similar test?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:15:39] We've seen that test, yes.

Luke Storey:  [00:15:41] Oh, cool. When you guys were trying to suss out if you could make your water remain structured, and we'll back up and explain what that means for people that don't know, but if you created this device over the course of those many years and you wanted to see okay, what does it look like in six months, a year as you indicated, Eric, how were you actually doing the testing to see if it's stuck, for lack of a better term?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:16:04] What we did is that most of the tests were done in agriculture, and then we could keep on testing. With humans, it takes much more longer, and then you have much more effects from outside. So we were taking maybe 80 types of tomatoes, all kinds of vegetables. So we did all those tests. And what we constantly did is that we didn't do only to the biophotons. At a certain level, we found out that in the light, there is a whole frequency band, and it starts in the ultraviolet and it ends up any infrared. 

And all of those waveforms from one frequency to another it's a communication area. Each part of those frequency in light has a different effect upon a biological system. So what we did was constantly looking how is one wave and its tones and its overtones moving to the next frequency level. And that is what we constantly tested. And in that way, we tested many, many waters from all over the world, from Greenland, the Rocky Mountains, Himalayas. And what Eric said is that there is no stability anymore.

Now that we have the reason to find out how do you bring back stability in water for long, long term. And normally you are thinking vortexes and crystal forms, and magnets, all of that was tested. And Eric told you already, within a few minutes, the energy is gone. Now we had to find out what are the rules of nature to bring it back in its most powerful form. And that is also why it took so long. We had to go through all those procedures. And that was one of the most interesting parts of the whole adventure, to learn the rules of nature again.

Luke Storey:  [00:17:55] Yeah, and nature is so fascinating because it's infinitely complex, yet simple at the same time. Whenever you go back to nature, it's just we don't really understand it intellectually, but yet, there's an innate part of ourselves that understands the simplicity of it. I've always thought in terms of water and its intelligence of the energy it carries. When you look at water in nature, it's continually moving, swirling vortex. And if you look at a river, going back to the work of Viktor Schauberger, when we look at a river, it looks like it's just making waves that are going up and down and a little to the left and the right, but all of that water is actually spinning in a spiral, but you just can't perceive it with your eye.

And so I've always thought about that in relation to what happens to water when it's stagnant. Like here in Texas, I'm always looking for a new swimming hole. And there's such a fluctuation in the aquifers here that there will be water in a river or lake for a time seasonally and then it'll go away. And in those times, in between, you'll have these stagnant pools of water. And you just intuitively know I shouldn't get in there. It doesn't look safe. And why it doesn't look safe would be the presence of algae and things. 

But you just know that when water is moving that it's attractive and appealing and you want to get your body in it. And when it's not, when it stands still for too long, as would be the case for a swimming pool if you don't put chlorine or something in it, that water does start to-- it proliferates life. Microorganisms began to flourish, especially if it's getting a lot of sun, but it's not water that you necessarily would want to interact with. There's not an appeal to it a draw to it like there is water that's moving that's fluid.

And then we take water and-- and I want to get your perspective on this, but to me when water is in nature, it's always moving in circles and spirals and vortexes and it's never hitting a right angle, and it's never sitting still. And then what we do to water is we put it in a big holding tank, set it still, fill it full with chemicals, which is smart if you don't want pathogens in the water-- I guess it's made safe in that regard, and then we run it through pipes through our cities and towns and the infrastructure, and then to our house and it's all riding on pipes. 

Everything we do from the point of harvesting water from nature actually degrades it and it's totally antithetical to how water wants to be treated and how it behaves on its own, with the influences of nature. So I find that really fascinating that humans just have such a knack for ruining them. So what's your take on sitting still water versus moving water, how it moves, right angles versus curvature, the ways that water behaves in nature, and then after humans get a hold of it?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:20:54] I think you already told the story more or less because water doesn't like right angles. The first thing what we did in a greenhouse was when we were creating the water, there were no right angles in the greenhouse,  maximum 45 degrees. When we created the water, there was no electricity. And that's a big issue these days. So our issue, of course, that humans don't understand nature, that also makes a big difference between the past and now because in the past, you were walking somewhere and there was this creek with beautiful right angle, you get a left vortex, left angle, right vortex, etc, etc. So it's vortex itself. So it keeps itself alive constantly. So they need to be that stable if you know what I mean.

So we've been testing old waters from Greenland, which is 100,000 years old, which is beautiful. But after confounding it with Wi-Fi and stuff like that, it was the same way noncoherent as our own water. So, unfortunately, just a few people on this planet are lucky enough that they can drink clean water, which is clean water, but also coherent water. And these are two different things anyway. So that's why you say when you have your tank over here, you need chemicals, otherwise, you have a lot of issues. But for us, that's completely dead water. That's a noncoherent state of water. The molecules don't work together. They are just completely chaotic. So what nature does by constantly swirling, by constantly going from left to the right, it keeps water alive. It has its own inbuilt system to keep it alive. But who can drink the water these days? Almost nowhere, it's gone. 

So also the water that we see in our rivers, we create canals. We take out the curves because otherwise, the ships have to move. It will take a long time for the ships, etc, etc. So we destroy the water in that sense completely. And there's many things that water doesn't like. One of them's, of course, chemicals, but sometimes we use them. One is that it don't like to go in straight lines, and especially not in straight curves. It hates it, it destroys it. And especially all the radiation, which is now everywhere. We have this beautiful idea to create 5G satellites. And [Inaudible 00:23:40]. When we heard about that, we thought now everybody's getting crazy. You're really at the complete clouds to the clouds and you destroy it. How bad can you think to do that?

Luke Storey:  [00:23:53] I'm with you there. I never thought about the idea that you pose about canals. And I'm thinking about much of agricultural irrigation is built by making straight micro canals essentially to irrigate fields and such in agriculture. That's really interesting because as you said that, I was picturing the degradation of the land when you introduce water to it in that way. There's all of this erosion, it becomes very unstable. But if you watch the ebb and flow of a creek, stream, or river, it's flourishing with life. It's like not only the water itself that's in its natural formation, but also all of the life that so ensues around it also seems very abundant. That's a really interesting perspective.

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Dolf Zantinge:  [00:26:36] Eric was talking about chaotic water and coherent water. What does it mean because that is the key of the whole story. Because you started with it. You said a lot of people think that water is just H2O, and that is not the case. It is using the H2O molecules to create the kind of network and that network carries information. So why is that important because water is collecting electromagnetic fields from outside? So when it is creating a vortex it creates also the light that is coming from outside from the sun and the moon, and that brings it into the water and that create a coherent system. Coherent system means it creates information.

And what we found is that not all the waters in the world carry all this information system. And that was very critical. So what we saw is that biological systems are responding to the type of information that is in the water. And that is so crucial. And what is happening with the telco world, the telco world is taking out a part of the coherent state. So normally you carry the whole alphabet into the water, but with the telco world now, it takes out between maybe 70, 80% with the latest type of generations of telco devices. So that was for us a critical issue. So every water in a laboratory was tested with it. And then we look how is it responding to light and what is it doing in a biological system. And every water was damaged, every water. And that is why this was so an important test for us.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:28:37] I can give you an example how important it is on one test that we did on seedlings to see how the communication is with the Legos, with the moon, with all the planets, with the sun, especially the sun. We found out if we give them coherent water, they start to connect all the moon cycles a lot more. There was a lot more communication going on. So the information system in a plant itself dies off. By feeding it coherent water, the whole information system inside of the plants become a lot stronger.

What does it mean? That's another story because if you look like I said, when you look at the tomato, they look the same, but I'd rather eat a tomato which has a beautiful communication system inside than a tomato which looks the same but with no communication system. Because if I eat a tomato, when I drink the water, my communication system also will be better.

Luke Storey:  [00:29:45] Yeah, it speaks to the interconnectedness of all nature. And I think this is perhaps why I'm so fascinated with water and also EMF, which is another topic that I've covered ad nauseam in the past six years doing this podcast because here we are in this perfect planet with everything we need in absolute abundance. And we have this knack for short-sightedness as humans in the search for profit or convenience. And going back to the satellites carrying basically giant Wi-Fi towers in the sky, it's astonishing to me that humans are so dumb, myself included. Before I knew, I was happy to keep my cell phone next to my head when I was sleeping and doing all those things unless you get educated.

But when you look at things from a systems approach, which I'm getting that you guys do, you start to see how it's not mechanistic and compartmentalized. Everything is interrelated. So when you speak of that tomato that you're eating being filled with the structured ordered water, then interfacing with the water in your body, in your digestive system, in your cells, there's a communication network, not just outside of ourselves, but within ourselves, which is really fascinating.

And to your point, before I forget to mention this, I got this device that you guys make a few months ago, and before I really researched it, I was sitting around. I was like I'll check it out one of these days. And then I just started to get more curious about it and use it and listen to some podcasts that you've been on. So I became very convinced that it was having a positive impact on my water and noticeably the taste and feel of the water like the mouthfeel, which is very subtle, and of course, subject to placebo, obviously.

But what I started doing was taking my spring water or filtered water, and then I put it in a big jug, and I spin the wand in there and then I water all of my plants with it. And it's crazy seriously how well my plants are doing because I have tons of big plants in the house. I'm getting more all the time. When people come over and they always say, especially being a guy, I think they say, "Dude, your plants look great. How do you keep them all alive?" Because I don't think many of us naturally have a green thumb, especially for indoor plants, which can be challenging.

And I really honestly believe a lot of the health of my plants can be attributed to me every time I water them, I'm doing this. And they're super happy. I also talk to them. I communicate with the plants as crazy as that might sound to some people, but I'm always giving them love, asking them what they need, what they don't need, do you want more water, less water, polish their leaves with mayonnaise, and just it's like I'm hugging them. So it might be a combination of all of that. But there's definitely a market change in the vitality of these plants after using what you guys do to water. It's bananas.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:32:51] It's absolutely true. I can tell you the latest test that we did with some local universities in Europe. We are very fascinated about polluted soil because all over the world, we see that in agriculture, they use a lot of toxins in our day. And what's happening is that bacteria and the fungi that you need into the soil, which is by the way, also a part of your own body when you're eating is destroyed. And that is why you get a whole chain of problems into agriculture.

But what we did is that we took soil that was treated for 10 years with these toxins, and then we collected rainwater and that rainwater was two months old. And then we treated it with our device, what you just saw, with a similar device, only a little bit bigger. And then we tested the water for three months. We did nothing, only three months get it. And then we were growing tomatoes, all bunch of tomatoes on polluted soil and treated soil. Then the universities, they do a number of tests. One of them was the biophotons. And they said this is amazing, much more life. But for another test, we used DNA. And that was very interesting. So the lab university said, "We saw an increase in the bacterial growth of those bacteria that you need with more than 60%." after two months.

Luke Storey:  [00:34:24] That's crazy. That's so cool. I'm assuming in your long-term vision that-- well, I'm going to just make the assumption, tell me whether I'm right or wrong, that you guys foresee being able to scale this technology into larger devices and treat larger bodies of water or use it in agriculture or different larger scale projects. Is that something that you're hoping to do?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:34:50] We have the devices already. We have the technology and we do have the devices.

Luke Storey:  [00:34:55] Really?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:34:56] Yes we do.

Luke Storey:  [00:34:57] Wow, wow. Tell me if I'm crazy here. Because of the effect that this was having on my plants and the fact that it makes my water tastes even more delicious, and I'm fortunate to have some really good spring water here that's not been UVed or anything, it's just completely straight out of the ground, I also started, in addition to doing it to the plants and myself, going into my ice bath, and waving the wand around in there for a while. And I use purified water in there. And I've also done it in our bathtub, actually. I've made my wife an ice bath with some Epsom salts, magnesium, and essential oils, and I'll spin it around in the bath. And I don't know if it's in my head or not, it could be both, but do you think that that is having a discernible positive effect on one's body, just from external exposure to the water versus drinking it?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:35:54] Of course because there's not much difference from the inside and the outside. And there are two ways to look at it. One is from the perspective that actually, they found out that your energy field is the same as around the Earth. It's like you have a watery field around you. There's vapor around you. So you change that energy field around you by feeding it the right water, that's one thing. The second thing is that we have bacterias in our body and on our body. There are more than 1,000 types of bacteria on your skin.

And the crucial thing we found in agriculture, but also in tests that we did on humans-- later on, we can talk about that-- that its crucial part is the microbiome. As you know, your gut has about 1,100, to 1,500 sorts of bacteria, different species. And the more different species you have, the more healthy your gut is, and the same thing is from the outside on your skin. So actually, you're feeding the bacterias on your skin with the right type of water. And there's going to be more communication. So yes, I mean, I do the same thing. I vapored also around my plants. Actually, when I feel a little bit dizzy, when I work too long behind the computer, I spray it a little bit around my head, and it clears up.

Luke Storey:  [00:37:32] Oh, that's a good idea. I'm going to do that. So that's interesting about the layer of vapor around your body. So we individually as people have an ionosphere of sorts around us as well.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:37:46] So above or below, we have an atmosphere around the planet. We look at it as a living thing, the same thing for you. And you can measure it. We didn't do it ourselves, but I saw some research that actually [Inaudible 00:38:03] you have a vapor field around you. And it's not only energy, it's always a combination of three important thing-- water, information, and microbiome. And they all work together. These are the perfect triangle. 

And actually, water is the communication system. We look at it as a kind of bio quantum computer. It's not like a real quantum computer maybe, but like a bio quantum computer which-- actually, water is a broadband absorber for all the electromagnetic fields. What people don't realize-- it's quite funny that we learn at school that the atmosphere absorbs almost all the incoming bad energy from the sun and everywhere, otherwise we could not live over here because of gamma rays, etc.

Look it up on the Internet. Water is a broadband absorber of all electromagnetic fields except a part of the infrared, visible light, and a part of UV. It's quite astonishing how intelligent water is in that way. Otherwise, it will be dark on this planet. You realize otherwise you couldn't look through water. Then water will be dark if it would absorb the same what it does with UV and the outer UV with the X rays, etc, etc. So water, there is truly intelligence in it.

Luke Storey:  [00:39:33] Oh, that's so interesting. What a trip! That brings to mind when you observe different bodies of water, how they take on different colors, but when you put water in a clear glass it's just clear. It's the way light affects water and how different waters with I guess different mineral composition behave under UV light is also really interesting. Just looking at the blue ocean that's not actually blue, it's made to appear blue, I just think that's so fascinating.

Thank you for digressing us to explain ordered or structured water versus chaotic or dead water. But take me back to the EMF stuff that you guys have done with water. I think this is really interesting in what you first spoke of, in that our whole planet is essentially blanketed in these radio frequencies and electric fields in our homes and all that, and that that's having an effect on the entire water supply of the planet, essentially, at least the water above ground. Have you guys done any testing where you put a cell phone or a Wi-Fi router next to water or anything like that to show a major detriment to close proximity exposure or anything of that nature?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:40:50] Oh, yeah. Hold for 5G is one of our favorites. I can tell you one of the research that has taken place in Europe, and it will be published within a few months from now, but we will tell you now already the outcome. And they took normal water and they put 5G on it. And in every water, normally there are certain bacteria and they put in the frequencies. And what I found is that the harmful bacterias are growing dramatically. 

And that is why Eric and I really focus now to bring this water now to the world because what Eric just said is that if we are going to bring in 100,000 satellites all the world being in 5G, what do you think will happen with the rainwater, the rivers, and the lakes? We started with having a concern, but the concern is only increasing now. That is why podcasts are very important to tell people, do you know what you're doing? So yes, we do those tests every day.

Luke Storey:  [00:41:59] Wow, wow. Yeah, with the EMF stuff, for me, it's kind of a double-edged sword because it's ubiquitous and relatively hard to avoid depending on how hard you work on your EMF strategy. I'm pretty into it, so I'm probably better off than many people, but it's everywhere. And as we educate ourselves about it, it can be terrifying yet the fear response and the amygdala response of fight or flight from that education or awareness about it, I think compounds the negative effects of it. So it's the biology of Belief. Bruce Lipton, I interviewed him and we spoke about this.

And it's like, if I see a cell tower over there, it's definitely quantifiably having a negative effect on my biology. But if I'm also afraid of it and worried about it, then that's harmful as well, cortisol, adrenaline, etc, whatever's happening within one's biology from being afraid. So I'm always on this balancing act of educating myself, helping to educate other people, and also knowing that there are just certain things that are beyond our control. And you have to live your life and put up a protective shield around yourself in whatever way you see fit.

But I think that the work you guys are doing is very interesting because it sounds like there's at least potentially the ability to protect ourselves from the inside by having our own bodies 99% molecularly speaking, our bodies as you guys well know, we're basically walking bags of water. So what if we were to take structured Analemma water and drink that exclusively and even bathe in it in my case, could that potentially make us more resilient to these fields because of your water's ability to remain structured after periods of time?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:43:54] Yes, I'm not so sure. There's always a but, and the but is that always there will be people who are more sensitive to it than others. And I fully agree, I'm not going into that fear about it. But on the other hand, we did also tests on plants and we saw the effects on plants. And since we're not the only creatures on this planet, and not everybody is capable of buying an Analemma plant, I think it would be very wise just to recognize it. 

And we are not convinced that all the radiation is bad if you know what I mean because there's a lot of radiation coming out from the sun, etc. And it must be possible to use maybe different frequencies. And it'll be a lot wiser first to test which frequencies probably will be less harmful than just use without testing, what we do now with the 5G without doing any testing and there was also-- what I heard is in Russia there's allowance and Europe, especially in our country, Holland is 1,000 times higher than what they do in Russia. So we won't escape it.

And everybody-- I have my iPhone, actually, now I'm here on 4G. So it's very handy, otherwise, I could not do the podcast. So it's a very doable, like you said, a very doable thing. But acknowledging it, that it can be harmful, and put some effort into it, some money into it and see how we can make it less harmful, that also could be a wise thing.

Luke Storey:  [00:45:40] Yeah, I always put myself in the future of this fantasy world where we're able to transmit data wirelessly on frequency bands that are actually supportive to biology rather than destructive. I just know it's possible, and somebody's probably figured it out and being suppressed or something, but it's like we're using radiation to carry this data, but as you indicated so correctly, that not all radiation is harmful. So just fundamentally, there has to be a way to use those radio waves to transmit information in frequencies or in power that's not as deleterious to life.

And also, I love that you included the plants on this planet as being harmed. And let's not even think about the animals, specifically the bees. The bees who are using their own internal radar, essentially, to survive and thrive, and then that's been interrupted by all of these non-native alien frequencies that they're being hit with. And you don't have to think that hard to realize if there's no more bees there's no more people after a certain period of time. So it's just like, ah, but what are you going to do? We just have to incrementally take steps. Do you guys foresee a future in which we would be able to have a wireless technology that is not harmful?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:47:12] It would not be a surprise. But, Luke, one thing is very strange. In the world of biology, we think only in terms of chemicals. We forgot completely there's resource energy with frequencies. And if you talk to somebody who studied biology and you ask them, what is the impact of a certain frequency on a living system, he hasn't got a clue. But all light forms are frequencies. Sound is a frequency. And it can affect us. Take for instance sound, it can bring an emotion in a flash of a second, but it is purely frequency that you pick up. The other frequencies play a role. And we hardly understand the role of all those frequencies. So if we start to study those frequencies much more, then we probably start to get a much more understanding what are the harmonic frequencies and how to deal with them.

Luke Storey:  [00:48:06] We need to unsilo the physicist and the biologist and put them together.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:48:12] Absolutely. But it is the same with healing of people. You can also heal with sound, you can heal with colors, you can heal with frequencies, we know that, and it works. But we have to learn when, how, how much, all those things. It's completely new field, but it is very important. And we started due to the study that we did on water, we started to understand how sensitive these electromagnetic fields work, and what they do to water. It has a direct effect. And that is why some of these understood the importance of frequencies.

Luke Storey:  [00:48:57] As someone who spent so much time, energy, and money to be healthy, I want to keep track of what's working and what's not. That's why I'm really into this company I found called InsideTracker. They are an ultra-personalized performance system that analyzes data from your blood, DNA, lifestyle, and fitness tracker to help you optimize your body and reach your health and wellness goals. Through their app and testing protocol, I'm able to get a clear picture of what my body looks like on the inside. And I also get a clearer measure of whether my diet, supplement, and exercise choices are helping or even hurting.

I did the whole inside tracker deal recently and was actually shocked to find that I was less than perfect in some areas. My cholesterol and B vitamins were high, for example, and a few other things that needed a little tweaking. There was, of course, also some good news as my overall health score was that of a much younger person and certainly more optimized than your average American. And that's the point. The whole goal with InsideTracker is to be optimized, not normal. 

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In the process of developing this wand, how many iterations did you go through before you were able to get the structure to remain stable?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:50:49] A lot.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:50:50] Until we stopped counting.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:50:54] It was an ongoing research. To come back to how important it is, what water does, I have to think about one of our first research what we did. We just took two quarts plates, half a centimeter thick and we put water in it, let the sun shine through and then measure the amount of sunlight which came through and put it in a diagram on the frequencies. And just changing the water, just half a centimeter change the whole structure and amount of light which came through. So water is a broadband absorber for all the electromagnetic fields. So that's very important. That's most important thing in it.

So making the water coherent, also very important is what kind of energy does it upload. The biggest goal was to see that it has this maximum effects on what it uploads. So actually, I dare to say that Analemma water doesn't upload the best frequencies. I'm not going to say that if you drink that water, you're not going to be harmed by it. It's not like, okay, let's sleep on the X-ray. If I drink the water, nothing will harm me. That would be a little bit too much. But that was one of our goals. And the second of our goal, of course, to make it more stable-- it was an ongoing process, ongoing testing until we found ourselves comfortable in it.

And then actually, we had to do the tests on a human being because a plant is not the human being although the biology, and you can discuss about it, the principles are, a lot of things are the same because you have the microbiome, you have the water, and you have the communication system. And we also need to do our research on human being. It's very hard to see how can you prove definitively in a body what to do with the water that it helps you. So actually, first, we needed to do a research on what is a good research to do it. And we ended up on the GlycanAge study. I don't know if you're familiar with it.

Luke Storey:  [00:53:12] I did see that on your side. I'd love to hear more about it. Yeah.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:53:15] So those scientists, actually I think you could find more than 100 published-- they published more than 100 research on it, how glycans is actually a good measurement of the aging of your body. It compares the biological aging with your truly physical age, how many years you are on this planet. And this study says something about what is the difference if, for instance, man, when you eat bad food, a lot of stress, harmful frequencies, everything it works on those glycans, and they come down.

And so we took that test for us as an ultimate test to see if it changes the body because if we are right, and we say it enhances the microbiome, the communication, then there should be also something going on the aging effect. So the participants got a baseline test, and then start to drink the water for three months, one and a half liter a day. And they didn't change anything in their lifestyle. So they have the same amount of the same food, the same kind of training, everything, what he did normally. And then after three months, we tested them again. And we were astound ourselves but we got a regression and the age of one to 12 years only after three months drinking the water.

Of course, we're very pleased with that. But we decided, okay, let's go further. So actually at this moment, we're doing a lot of more tests on different areas in the human body. We started doing again, a double-blind, placebo-controlled study, again, on GlycanAge and results will be there in about two, three months. At this moment, we are in the middle of a double-blind placebo-controlled microbiome test because we think by drinking the water that you get a more diversity, of course, of your microbiome. And that says something that's very important. The more differentiation there is in the species in your gut, the healthier you are.

Another one, which we are actually doing right now is the brainwave study. And we already proved in the past, by drinking the water, the brainwaves become far more coherent. So also that's going to be a double-blind placebo test that people drink for the baseline test, and then drink-- we're already did the baseline test, in three-months time, then we're going to test all the people again and see what the brainwaves how they're doing, because they should be because they have communication between your gut and your brain by the nerves vagus. 

We know already, for sure, because we did a test that there will be a lot more harmony into your brain. So I'll come back to your amygdala and your fight and flight. Probably from drinking the water, you will be less frightened. So a lot popping up, coming up. We just want to go for the hardcore science, a golden standard for science and prove that actually, what we're seeing is right.

Luke Storey:  [00:56:39] Wow, that's cool. I love when people bring some sort of technology or product to market and actually do the research as well. And obviously, if it's placebo, double-blind, that's helpful. But there's so many different supplements and biohacking devices and all these things out there. And some of them work and some of them probably don't. But I always lean into the ones that are at least spending some time and resources to do some research, that I can feel good about spending my money on, taking the time to use it in my life. So I really appreciate that you guys are doing that.

And I'm wondering with the GlycanAge study that you did, if you're getting a range of improvement on biological age between one and 12 years, and everyone's drinking that water exclusively for three months, they're not making any other changes. Was there a difference in the source water that was being used? Is one person drinking bottled water, the other one reverse osmosis, and the other one tap water? Or did you just supply them with water that had been structured that was from the same original source?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [00:57:47] No, no, they just had a wand. So that was the only thing what they had. So we want to keep everything the same. If we would provide everybody with the best spring water and make it coherent, things will change. So actually, we don't know the chemical because of the lifestyle. Maybe one is drinking a lot more beer than the other one does. I don't know. But they kept the same lifestyle. And maybe one person had more stress in their life. We don't know. But we decided to keep everything the same. Otherwise, you can argue afterward, yeah, but they changed also the lifestyle, etc, etc. But even that, even if it will be one year, in three months, that's already something for me, not to talk about the 12 years of aging.

Luke Storey:  [00:58:43] What if you guys put in 13 years and it didn't work?

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:58:49] It was an exciting moment for us.

Luke Storey:  [00:58:51] I bet, man. I bet that's so cool. One of the things that I love about this wand, and I haven't tried it yet because I just haven't taken a trip since I've had it, but I really like how portable it is. And also, I think on your site, there's a walnut one, and then there's this metal one in terms of the holder, but it's also when it's in its little sheath it's very small, portable and it looks pretty indestructible too, which is cool. So that's one thing that I like because some of the restructuring devices are quite large and not practical. 

But I could see myself taking this on the airplane and drinking Evian water and spinning it in there. You can pretty much, as long as you have a clean source of water, you could have a structured ordered water anywhere, which is really cool. One thing I'm curious about is why did you elect to use quartz for the actual wand rather than some other glass, a clear glass or Myron glass or any of the different even colored glasses or anything of that nature.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:59:53] That is a very important question. First of all, I'm going to show you the wooden wand as well.

Luke Storey:  [00:59:58] Oh, there it is. Cool.

Dolf Zantinge:  [00:59:59] That would work. It has the same effect inside.

Luke Storey:  [01:00:03] Ah, nice. That's cool. 

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:00:06] We have stainless steel and the wood. But this is a very important question and it has everything to do with the quality of quartz. Now, first of all, if you want, you have to understand that the water inside is more than one year old. It has to go through certain cycles. And only crystal, this type of quartz crystal has the ability to bring the inside energy of that water to the outside energy. Glass can't do it. If you also have glass, not all the UV can come through, not all the frequencies can come through. So that is why we use quartz. So we only work with materials whereby we do know that the frequencies from outside will play a very critical role and can come through and can be added to the water. And that is the reason why we do quartz.

Luke Storey:  [01:01:02] Cool. I love crystals. So probably one of the only guys it's like, I think because my wife has them all over the place, I'm like well, these actually these are cool. I used to think they were just pretty but had no utilitarian purpose. So that makes a lot of sense. If one was to want to structure a larger body of water, for example, my spring water from Alive Waters comes in a three-and-a-half gallon glass cowboy, I mentioned doing it to a bathtub ice bath. What if somebody wanted to take their small wand and do your swimming pool, for example? How long would you have to go out there and spin it around? Or is it just too big of a body of water to even do with that particular device?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:01:50] It depends a little bit how big your swimming pool is, of course.

Luke Storey:  [01:01:54] Sure, sure.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:01:56] Well, to be honest, we don't know. But I can give you a nice example. A couple of months ago, there was in a farm, one of the biggest farmer magazine. There was a four-page article, which I didn't know about that actually a pig farmer, he just put one of that sticks in his container while feeding the pigs. And he went to that magazine to tell the people over there, "Listen, I've been using this wand and have 50% less problems with my pigs. They seem to be more happy and less immune problems and etc, etc." And also, that's part of the GlycanAge study because if you'd like to become better, it also means your immune system becomes better. And so everything comes together.

And so I was surprised that you just use one wand for this big container. So we don't know where the end is. I cannot show you now because I'm somewhere in the mountain in Corsica. But we have the devices now already market ready, almost. We're just waiting for the official approval that we can do large quantities. We can do pipes like this, it doesn't matter. We can run a wand through. We can do rivers, we can do lakes, we can do everything. Actually, that's one of our goals in the future. Our goal is to get all the water on this planet coherent again.

Luke Storey:  [01:03:28] I love that.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:03:29] If we could achieve that, then we would be very happy. We don't have any business model anymore, but at least we have a nice planet.

Luke Storey:  [01:03:37] Yeah, I like that. That's a good self-defeating goal, though. I like that. Yeah, I like that you think really big too. Because that's how things move forward. If everyone just had a very attainable, realistic goal, then you would probably achieve that and be done. But that's quite a daunting one, but I like that. I wanted to mention, for those listening too that want to check this technology out-- you guys have been generous to offer a discount, thank you for that-- the link for you guys will be in the show notes, but also at lukestorey.com/analemma, A-N-A-L-E-M-M-A. So thank you for that.

I think this is a very worthy investment. I'm happy to promote you guys and what you're doing. As I said, I use it all the time, and I find it to be very useful and just amazing actually. Back to the wand and one of my other many curiosities. You refer to the water inside the quartz wand as mother water. And I don't know how much of this is proprietary and unshareable, but what is the actual original source water of the water in the wand and why does it take a year to produce it?

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:04:52] It's the standard water, just mineral water or tap water, but anyway clean water without chemicals. And why does it take a year? Because we found out that water has a certain memory. And if you want to absorb nature, you have to go through all the four seasons to absorb the energy of all the four seasons. That is why we found out the sun is critical because water must have the ability to work with all those cycles in nature again, and it keeps it in the memory. So we had to find out how does it keep it in the memory, etc, etc.

For most scientists, this was completely new, also in our team. All the team members were struggling with this because they found this is so strange. But water is completely working with the laws of nature, and that is what we found out. Then we had to go through this whole cycle. It's more than only the four seasons. We have to do a lot of work upfront, but that is why it takes a year. And that is why we call it mother water. Why also mother water? Because we noticed that if you have four seasons, then you have a very broad spectrum of frequencies in it. So that is why we also call it the broadband absorber.

Luke Storey:  [01:06:10] That's cool. That's cool. Well, that's interesting, thinking about just the cosmos and the changing of seasons and the proximity of the moon and the sun and the various planets and whatnot. When you think about the effect that even just the moon has on bodies of water, then that's a pretty good indication that there's something happening there. You look at the tide and the movement of water under these forces, it's really interesting. I never thought about it in that way. I'm sure some people are more attuned to astrological influences than others.

My wife very much follows that and will be feeling off one day and she'll say, oh, it might have something to do with this planet or that planet. I go, "Okay, maybe." I definitely know it's harder to sleep on the full moon. That's something I've learned as I get older. If I ever have a really poor night of sleep, it's pretty much guaranteed it's around a full moon. And I won't know that until afterward. So it wasn't a placebo thing. I'll just think, "God, what happened last night?" My wife will say, "There was a full moon." There you go. It's pretty predictable at this point. So on those nights, I'll take a bunch of CBD or magnesium or whatever it is, and try and beat nature. But it's fascinating that you guys realized that you have to allow that water to have that influence for such a long period of time to go through that natural cycle. That's very interesting.

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:07:30] It's so interesting to see that how did we find out that this was taking place. We had a lot of seeds and we measured seven times 24 in the machine basically fires. And then we measured the biophotons and the lighting. And then we saw waveforms. And certainly, we saw that the waveforms with our water after treatment with our water became much better and more balanced. And then we were figuring out where are these waveforms coming from. And then suddenly, we found out comparing it with other data systems that it was exactly the moon cycle, exactly. 50 minutes later, the seeds responded to the moon.

Luke Storey:  [01:08:17] Wow.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:08:18] And I can add too there are different research that we did to it. Actually, we found out that the water two hours before the sunrises the water already knows that the sun is coming. So they get more energy. And another research which was very interesting for us is actually that after-- we did research, we put electrodes in plants, and they were measured 24/7 for a month by feeding the different waters and see what happens and their electrical capacity and stuff like that. 

And we found that after new moon, today it's new moon, so when you want to put some seeds in the ground do it tomorrow because we found that the plants at that moment, they give an explosion in light. That's the reason why in biodynamic farming, they say that you have to put your seeds in the soil. Actually, we prove that they're right. They know by their gut, but we can prove that they're right. [Inaudible 01:09:25] in the soil do it tomorrow.

Luke Storey:  [01:09:26] That's so cool. What a trip! Yeah, it's back to Rudolf Steiner and biodynamic farming and it's just crazy that more research like that is not being done. And if it is done, it's not being better amplified. These are such massive keys. Now we're talking about world hunger and the oncoming probably engineered famine that we could be in for. And it's like you could solve so many problems just in agriculture by just following that one principle that's been identified and used in biodynamic farming. 

And there are probably hundreds of principles that are equally as impactful that were either unaware of or it's just largely esoteric and not widely known. That's really wild. I want to know about one other study that I saw that you guys had done, and it was about an upsurge of power capacity of water by 300%. Is that something you could illuminate a bit for us?

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:10:27] Yeah. First of all, let me give you a little bit background. After 10 years of having our own research team-- quite a big team at the end-- we found out that if we want to bring this water to the world, we have to test it by outside laboratories and institutes. So the last four years, every test was done by outside universities, and sometimes a mock test to three different types of organizations to prove to the world that this is taking place. That was for us very critical amount of time. And what we saw is that certain plants responded in energy 200, 300% more. And that had to do with energy where you couldn't see it to the outset of the plant. A lot of people think that there's a big miscommunication, especially now in agriculture.

A lot of people think then that your plant is becoming bigger. And a lot of people think bigger is better. We found out that it's absolutely not the case. What the plant is doing is building up this energy layer into the root system and its communication system and then it is building up the plant. And you can measure it in a case and then in resistance because also for us, because we were told so by so many people that are becoming better if you do vortex A or B or crystal. We found out now very often we saw that at a certain timeframe the energy of the soil was leaking. So really, you have to bring the energy also back to the soil. And we found out that if we give the water to the plant, there was an increase in energy in the plant of 200, 300%.

Luke Storey:  [01:12:23] Wow, that's bananas. That explains why my plants look so healthy and vibrant. Although I have to say some of my plants do have appeared since I started on this water with them, they do have appeared to actually grow fairly quickly too, but that could just be because I also repotted them after I bought them and gave them new soil and rock dust minerals and things like that. But I'm like holy shit, these things are growing fast. It's really interesting to observe.

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Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:14:24] One thing we can measure that, we did it on our electricity capacity and all sudden many issues, but one of the most important was measured in biophotons. If you know when a plant gives 200, 300% more biophotons, actually we grow also microbiome on that water and we saw 500% more biophotons in that microbiome. And actually those biophotons, this is light, this is energy. And it's being produced by the mitochondria. So actually it means an enhancement in the mitochondria. So we already tested a long time ago. So there are different ways how you can look at it from that perspective.

Luke Storey:  [01:15:26] Wow, that's wild. I interviewed Gerald Pollack, the author of the Fourth Phase of Water recently. And, of course, he has-- I don't know if he discovered it, but has definitely illustrated that water has this fourth phase, this sort of gel-like phase and that the water in and around ourselves is largely comprised of that type of water, that phase of water. Have you guys explored how your technology creates or interfaces with the fourth phase of water? Is there exclusion zone water inside the wand? Or is that helping to build more of that exclusion zone water when you're treating it with the wand or anything of that nature?

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:16:04] Well, probably we both spoke with him last week. And what he did was fantastic. He really found out that there is EZ zone in it. And he is explaining to the world what sound is doing into our biological system. What we have found is that there is not only that part, there is also an information system connected to it. Probably these two areas have a connection to each other. And yes, absolutely, there is an EZ zone, that's for sure. But what communication is into the water? What is the alphabet that it carries? So there is a lot of things that we have to go through and we love to do it with Gerald Pollack because what he did was really fantastic.

Luke Storey:  [01:16:50] Oh man, he must love what you guys are doing. I mean, talk about someone who's devoted their life to water man, it's just so cool. And in that episode, and we'll link to that for the listeners in the show notes, for the first hour of my interview with him, I was really interested in why there is so little research in the scientific community on water. It's been just totally discounted as meaningless for the most part. And so he gave me this whole history of how much of the research was actually stifled by the establishment and outliers like he and others have been ridiculed for their research and sort of like why even bother doing scientific research around water whereas to me it's like what else is there to research? Everything, the entire substrate of all life here and elsewhere, we can presume, is water.

So it was really interesting to hear scientific perspective on why there's so little information and it's largely unknown. So I'm sure he was really excited to see what you guys are up to. On another nuanced aspect of water, have you guys looked into deuterium levels and deuterium-depleted water and all of that? I've done a number of podcasts about deuterium and all of that. Does that play into any of your work at all? Or is that outside of your realm?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:18:14] To be honest, it's outside. I just send some of the water a couple of months ago in Austria to see if the water changes in the deuterium, and to be honest, it doesn't. It stays the same a little bit less. And so our technique is not going to deplete the deuterium into the water. We still don't know. I know all the signs about it and many people now are completely into it because deuterium-- especially for cancer patients you should drink the deuterium-depleted water. I'm convinced that if you would combine it, get deuterium-depleted water-- and actually we have some conversations now. Maybe for the future, that's a nice combination and then making coherent and you have a super plus.

Luke Storey:  [01:19:10] Wow, that's a good idea. I usually go through a cycle of two or three months of deuterium-depleted water. I'm out of it right now. I gave the last of it to my dog because she had a little tumor and I was treating her with that and some other things. But this gives me a good idea too. The company that I like is called Litewater, L-I-T-E, and they make a really great 10 parts per million deuterium-depleted water which is much more economical, especially for shipping too because you can take that and then dilute your spring water or filtered water that's probably 145, 155 and you can make yourself like 85 or 95 parts per million deuterium-depleted water, just through dilution. But here's my idea. Next time I order that, I'm going to make myself a batch of say 85 parts per million deuterium-depleted water and then I'm going to get the Analemma wand and actually structure that water. That's going to be my next experiment. Yeah, very cool combination right there.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:20:12] Here it's very hard to find deuterium-depleted water. There are no companies in Europe. No where you can find it.

Luke Storey:  [01:20:19] Got it. Yeah, there are very few anywhere really. From what I understand it's quite an expensive and complex process to produce it. It has something to do with nuclear reactors. It's not just something you can do in your kitchen with a little device or something like that, although people have tried to sell devices that supposedly do it. I don't think many of them are valid, if any. But yeah, I think that the exclusion zone water, structured water, deuterium-depleted water, these are three of the leading edge elements of water that I'm really looking forward to observing as they continue to grow.

Back to the communication network in water. I mentioned earlier the work of Austin Veda, who does this beautiful photography of water in its initial state of freezing. And for those listening, you're probably aware of this you guys. But talk about the ability to communicate with water. She'll put water next to a photograph or say words or even have a thought or a prayer and affect the structure of the water to the point where it actually mimics what it's being exposed to, which is extremely fascinating. Do you think that the water that you're creating with the Analemma has the ability to carry information? I guess what I'm going for here is it's not like the water itself is communicating, but is it more that the water is a conduit for information or frequency and is your water better at doing that, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:21:54] The memory is probably not in the water, the communication not either. But due to the structure, it might have communication. It's something that is having this information system available. So it is as if it is a mediator.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:22:13] She did a nice test I remember. We haven't been speaking with her. But I saw it somewhere, I think on the show that she said the water if you put it in your mouth and stick for 40 seconds, and then swirl with the wand, actually, she said you get medication for yourself. So there is a kind of intelligence in it. And like you said before, she says it's like one big crystal. Probably they tested all because crystal is an information system. We look at it as a radio. When you dial the radio to a certain frequency, you get a frequency. And we see our water as one big radio which get the information that you need. And once you put it in a mouth for 40 seconds and swirl you get information from yourself into it, but the change is likened to medication. How it works, I didn't have a clue, but I thought it was a nice idea.

Luke Storey:  [01:23:12] Yeah, that's cool.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:23:15] But don't share the stick with the rest of your family.

Luke Storey:  [01:23:19] Yeah, in terms of light frequencies and their effect on water, this is something I talked to Jerry Pollack about in terms of exclusion zone water. Something I've been doing just as an experiment is exposing my water to red light, near infrared, far infrared light. And I asked him if he thought that the water would be higher in exclusion zone water if I did that. And he couldn't verify it, of course, because he's a legitimate scientist and said, we haven't studied that per se. But he said, based on what he had researched that that was a feasible strategy for invigorating your water. So that's part one.

The other one is-- this is sort of folklore. I have not seen any research on it. But if you take Myron glass, or Myron glass, some people call it, it's like a violet glass that I think eliminates some of the UV spectrum and just allows the ultraviolet or infrared or whatever to enter, that putting that out in the sun will structure your water. So I'm really interested in how different color wavelengths of light affect water. Is that something you guys have looked into at all?

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:24:31] Yeah, each frequency, each color has its own effect. And what we already told you is that water is a broadband absorber of electromagnetic fields, are allowed as water. If you've been in only blue light or red light, then the water is immediately adapting itself to that specific color. And the longer you put it in, the more structure it gets to communicate with that. And you can measure that for a while. After a while it's gone, but it stays there for a while.

Luke Storey:  [01:25:03] That's interesting. And also thinking about the way that much water is sterilized by running UV light over it where you essentially neutralize the lifeforce in that water, which to me is a bad strategy for water that you want to be healthy. That's why I like this spring water that's not been hit with UV. From what I understand, when you hit water with UV, what sterilizes it is that you're corrupting the cellular structure of the water. Talk about dead water. It's probably as dead as you could get if you hit it with really strong UV light. So it's interesting that light has the ability to invigorate water, but other spectrums have the ability to actually neutralize it or render it almost inert, or sterile, I guess is the word I'm looking for.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:25:51] Well, that's why I don't think you can structure, to be honest, water with a Myron glass because it blocks the UV light. So the idea of the glass is that you preserve everything that's inside for a longer time. But water needs everything. That's also the issue with UV sterilization. You just add one frequency in it. So it kills the bacterias, but it's not the full spectrum. The whole spectrum should be in it. That's why we like to use-- well, it's not necessary, but sometimes it's nice to do an upgrade, put the Analemma stick just for a short while in the sun outside. But the whole sound, the whole spectrum, we are built for the whole spectrum and not just small spectrum. Nothing wrong with infrared. It's very healthy, but I wouldn't like to sit all day just in an infrared sauna.

Luke Storey:  [01:26:52] Yeah, totally. I'm glad you brought that up because that was another one of my questions why you recommend taking the wand out I think once a week and exposing it to full spectrum natural sunlight. I guess you answered that question without me asking. Now, since your wand is quartz versus glass, it's allowing the full spectrum of sunlight to interface with the mother water inside versus if it was glass, we'd be totally eliminating the UVB and different spectrum of light. Is that part of the puzzle there?

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:26:57] Yes.

Luke Storey:  [01:27:01] And is is that step of putting the wand out in the sun, is it just you said an upgrade? So it's not critical like you have to do it for it to keep working. But what's it going to do make it stronger, faster, last longer, what do you think the effect would be of adding that practice?

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:27:46] Even if you don't do it for years it still remains working. That's no problem. But at that moment of time, you give them a little bit of connection again with all the up frequencies, and it picks it up, and you notice that but it keeps on working.

Luke Storey:  [01:28:02] Cool. Okay, awesome. Well, hot damn. The last things I wanted to ask you guys you've already really answered before and that was around your long term vision, the ultimate goal of actually reinvigorating the water of the whole planet. And the thing that I wanted to ask was, are you going to have a whole house system, something for the swimming pool, something to make this more accessible in a residential setting, or even in someone's office or something like that, where they could install a unit and have all of that water that's coming through be structured as long as yours remains structured, which is fascinating.

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:28:39] The answer is yes. But one of the items for us is that it must be not too big, it must be easy, and it must also achieved. So we work on that and I think the first systems will be on the market during this year already.

Luke Storey:  [01:28:55] Oh, wow. Cool, man. I'm on board. I'm in. That's so cool because you'll all be out in my swimming pool with this little wand. I wonder how many hours I have to vortex this water. That's really cool, man. Well, God, thank you guys so much for coming on the show and for the work you're doing, you're kindred spirits, man, and caring about our water and how it affects us and everyone on the planet.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:29:20] Why don't you put your wand just for a night in your swimming pool? Just leave it over there.

Luke Storey:  [01:29:24] Oh, really? Okay, cool. Because that water is circulating, it's not just sitting there, right? So if I left it in long enough, in theory, it would touch that mother water over a period of time. I'm on it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I haven't taken mine out in the sun yet. So I'm going to take it out in the sun today, then put it in the pool and tell the pool guy to not break it.

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:29:48] Let us know, Luke.

Luke Storey:  [01:29:50] Yeah, that's very cool. Anything you guys want to add? Did I miss anything that you wanted to touch on or you feel complete?

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:29:57] No, no. As a matter of fact, I think it's very Important, people start to get much more understanding of all the elements of the world. And you said already, everything is communicating with each other. And I think it's time now that we start to understand that much, much better, and show a little bit more respect to it.

Luke Storey:  [01:30:15] I agree, thank you.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:30:17] We are part of nature and nature's part of us.

Luke Storey:  [01:30:21] Yeah. I had a realization a couple of years ago, really beautiful experience out in nature. It happened to be assisted by eating quite a large quantity of psilocybin. But I was out in nature and just enjoying myself. And I had the initial realization, Luke, man, you got to get out, you got to be in nature more, you got to go out into nature. And then this sort of voice, the proverbial voice of wisdom from above came and said, "Luke, it's not that you need to get out into nature. It's that you need to remember that you are nature."

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:30:55] That's it.

Luke Storey:  [01:30:55] And you could have that realization without eating mushrooms, too. It happened to be how it went down that day. And I think because I was in such a receptive state, that when that realization hit me, as simplistic as it is, probably to some, it changed my whole life. And that's one of the reasons now I'm the guy, I'm talking to my plants in the house and loving them, and I feel them responding to that and then they in turn, respond to me and offer beauty and oxygen and all of the things that the plants have the ability to offer.

So I love the work you guys are doing, and the fact that you're helping people to understand that this is one cohesive system of life, and that we're not apart from it. And I think if more of us realize that just deeply, realize it not as an intellectual construct, but really an understanding that that's the truth, that we would treat one another and the planet much differently.

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:31:54] Absolutely.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:31:55] Absolutely.

Luke Storey:  [01:31:57] It's kind of like if you think about someone throwing some litter out of their car, which I used to see in LA all the time, and I would get so pissed. But if you see someone throwing litter out of their car, that's someone who just doesn't realize they just threw that litter on themselves. It's like, you just dumped that McDonald's wrapper in your own lap because you are the ground that you're throwing that trash onto. So yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate your perspective and the work you guys are doing. 

All right, well, I'll let you guys out of here. I'm sure it's late, wherever you are in the world, if you're somewhere in Europe. So thank you so much again. And for those listening, if you want to check out their technology, again, the link there is lukestorey.com/analemma, A-N-A-L-E-M-M-A, and the discount code is LUKE5. I'm a huge supporter and glad for what you guys are doing. And please keep me posted as you have further developments and you start to expand your line. I'm happy to help support you guys in any way I can.

Dolf Zantinge:  [01:32:54] Good. Bye, Luke.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:32:56] Bye, guys.

Luke Storey:  [01:32:58] You guys, take care. I'll talk to you soon.

Dr. Eric Laarakker:  [01:33:00] Okay, bye-bye.

Luke Storey:  [01:33:04] Well, thanks for joining me on yet another water expedition on the Life Stylist podcast. And for those of you who are intrigued by our guests' invention, remember your 5% discount code of LUKE5 which you can use at lukestorey.com/analemma. As you might have guessed from this conversation, I love this thing, and I actually use it again yesterday to water all of my plants, then to structure the new water I used to fill up my Morozko Forge ice bath. And I also, of course, use it to restructure all of our Alive's spring water bottles that get delivered on a bi-weekly basis. So I'm quite certain that this thing as strange as it is, helps to reinvigorate any water I treat with it. So it's definitely worth an experimentation in my humble opinion.

Okay, on to next week's episode, this one features one of my all-time favorite guests and thought leaders. And I've been working on this booking for the past couple of years. So it's with great joy that I bring to you Dr. Gabor Mate. We'll discuss the epidemic cycle of trauma and addiction to find true healing and liberation. So if you or someone you love is struggling with addiction or other repercussions of unhealed trauma, I got to say next week show is an absolute must-listen. So make sure to click Subscribe or Follow on your podcast app player of choice so you don't miss that or any other episodes to follow.

And lastly, before we get out of here, I'll remind you to come hang with me and my wife Alyson at the upcoming Modern Nirvana summit in Austin, Texas on September 23, where we'll be giving a talk on spiritual relationships along with other speakers like Gurudev, Dave Asprey, and many other past guests of this very show. We were there last year and this event is next level, folks. It's a perfect blend of wellness, tech, and mindfulness, meditation, breathwork, and even dance for those of you who are so inclined, but don't count on me getting out there with you.

But I'll definitely be at my Gilded booth, where Alyson will be sharing her new Animal Power book and car deck with you folks as well. So it's going to be a real humdinger and I can't wait to see you there. To get your tickets to the Modern Nirvana event, just simply visit lukestorey.com/events where you will also find a nice 15% discount code for your tickets. Again, that's lukestorey.com/events. Okay, that's a wrap. I'll be back next week with Dr. Gabor Mate.

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